Progressives, part 3...

posted by ptown_trojans_1

 

posted by jmog

Seriously?

 

Independents have never been >50%, so never been a majority.

 

Only 10% of republicans think he should be impeached. Is that "on the fence". If so then the African American vote was "on the fence" on whether to support Obama or Romney a few elections ago.

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

 

Fair. I was getting my numbers crossed.

Independents are hovering between the 30s and 40s. I had to double check. Still, this is not like in 98 when a huge majority of the country was against impeachment. 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/?ex_cid=rrpromo

 

 

In 1998 only 55% of "likely voters" were against Clinton's impeachment. CNN poll I just googled. A majority, but not a "huge majority" as you say.

Strike 2

posted by jmog

In 1998 only 55% of "likely voters" were against Clinton's impeachment. CNN poll I just googled. A majority, but not a "huge majority" as you say.

 

Strike 2

LOL. I was thinking of Clinton's approval rating. Dammit...

posted by ptown_trojans_1

LOL. I was thinking of Clinton's approval rating. Dammit...

His approval rating at the time was in the mid 60s, so I can see that.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

LOL. I was thinking of Clinton's approval rating. Dammit...

For the record, I was against Clinton's impeachment as well as I am against Trump's. 

LOL, this is neither academic nor testimony.  This is a bunch of partisan professors giving the opinion Democrats want to hear.  It's like when 900 or whatever prosecutors (out of THOUSANDS) said Trump should be indicted for obstruction.

One prof just said "while the President can name his son Baron, he cannot make him an actual barron".  She's fighting a smile and laughter after she says it.  Yeah, that wasn't orchestrated and planned, at all.  That's theater, not a scholarly review.

This is actually a serious issue that Democrats completely mucked-up public opinion by being the boy who cried wolf for 3 years.  I don't think Dems can do anything at this point that won't be viewed as purely partisan by over half the country.

posted by gut

One prof just said "while the President can name his son Baron, he cannot make him an actual barron".  She's fighting a smile and laughter after she says it.  Yeah, that wasn't orchestrated and planned, at all.  

Just saw the clip, what an idiot. There was another clip from her past saying she had to change sides of the street when she walked past a Trump property. And we’re supposed to take her at face value? C’mon Ptown.

posted by iclfan2

Just saw the clip, what an idiot. There was another clip from her past saying she had to change sides of the street when she walked past a Trump property. And we’re supposed to take her at face value? C’mon Ptown.

She really looks and acts like those crying/screaming activists from a couple different memes.

I'm sure she will be a mainstream media star (which was probably the point) and resonate with the base.  But to people who aren't foaming at the mouth with TDS, she's nothing more than a partisan actor.  Giving a performance, not analysis.  I'd bet money she didn't come up with that soundbite but DID spend much time rehearsing it.

She did have one really good point that the corrupt intent is evident by Trump merely demanding an announcement of an investigation.  I don't know how anyone could argue that's not intended purely to damage a political opponent.  But she's impugned her own credibility, so that point doesn't score or register.

LOL, one of the other profs wiki page describes him as a "self-professed never-Trumper and worked on Hillary Clinton's campaign".

C'mon, are the Dems even trying to be taken seriously?

Q: "Why did you give so much more money to Clinton than Obama and Warren?"

A: "Because I've been giving more money to charity on account of all the poor people in this country"

posted by jmog

In 1998 only 55% of "likely voters" were against Clinton's impeachment. CNN poll I just googled. A majority, but not a "huge majority" as you say.

 

Strike 2

Damn!

posted by gut

Q: "Why did you give so much more money to Clinton than Obama and Warren?"

A: "Because I've been giving more money to charity on account of all the poor people in this country"

Almost beyond belief.

I understand why dems are rushing this as fast as they can ……..they need as much time as possible between this MEGA-fail and next year’s election as possible, hoping that people somehow forget what a bunch of jackasses they are.

i have caught snippets of this impeachment.......the average person in the US has no clue what is going on, they have no stomach to listen to Ivy league professors talk about how they read the law.

This is getting worse

I bet they couldn't sleep last night because they were so excited to be the one to convince America Trump should be impeached.  Really Dems - you couldn't find a con-law prof that wasn't suffering from TDS?!?

I actually thought the Repub witness Turley pretty fair and objectively laid it out - stepped over the line with the DOJ on this and other incidents, but that's not impeachable.  I think that's an abuse of power, but this case the Dems are trying to build is a house of strawmen.

Hard to watch these hearings and not think Reps on both sides of the aisle aren't just using this to grandstand to sew-up their re-election.  You know people in 50/50 purple districts aren't ranting with faux outrage.

posted by O-Trap

Exactly.  I'm not sure there'd be much in the way of "better" or "worse," regardless of who won, but the debates AND campaign news would be damn good television.

Considering how Biden's recent response to a question about his age was to say he's not sedentary and then go on to challenge whoever brought it up to a push-up contest and IQ test to prove it, it'd be like two guys staring into a mirror and seeing each other. The winner would be the guy who made the most out-there baseless claim about himself!

posted by Heretic

Considering how Biden's recent response to a question about his age was to say he's not sedentary and then go on to challenge whoever brought it up to a push-up contest and IQ test to prove it, it'd be like two guys staring into a mirror and seeing each other. The winner would be the guy who made the most out-there baseless claim about himself!

Lol he called him fat too, and a damn liar. Great clip.

posted by Heretic

Considering how Biden's recent response to a question about his age was to say he's not sedentary and then go on to challenge whoever brought it up to a push-up contest and IQ test to prove it, it'd be like two guys staring into a mirror and seeing each other. The winner would be the guy who made the most out-there baseless claim about himself!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO9syIIJhyE

wow

posted by QuakerOats

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO9syIIJhyE

Pelosi prays for Trump every day, huh?

Somewhere there's a joke in there about what Dems always say about thoughts and prayers....

posted by gut

Pelosi prays for Trump every day, huh?

I am guessing she prays for Trump about as much as she prays for babies in the womb.