posted by HereticIt's a win for blind partisanship over actual balance.
Yep, and Tucker Carlson is a complete jackass.
I have a feeling Shep isn't going to be the last one to leave Fox, either. Which is a shame, because their straight news coverage in the afternoon was actually pretty good.
posted by wkfanTotally disagree with your point of view here.
My Father was a 50+ year newspaper reporter and editor who retired in 1977. He worked for local newspapers as well as 'conglomerates' that owned several newspapers where his by-lines appeared in several cities. He railed against what he called 'yellow journalism'...which is what is prevalent today. His point of view, and those of the industry was that a newspaper was to report the news, while opinions were for the Op/Ed pages only. IMO, newspapers are not nearly as bad as the television media where the political lean has gone to full tilt to one side or the other with absolutely no room to report what is not in keeping with the networks politics. It doesn't matter if you are talking about CNN, Fox, PMSNBC or any of them....you get no factual and unbiased news reporting from any of them.
I don't doubt your father's experience or perspective.
But you can go back to the country's founding or the Civil War era or reconstruction or the Depression. Newspapers, which were the main news media channels, were not only blatantly biased in their news reporting, but at times downright viscious. Not in editorials, but in news stories .
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI don't doubt your father's experience or perspective.
But you can go back to the country's founding or the Civil War era or reconstruction or the Depression. Newspapers, which were the main news media channels, were not only blatantly biased in their news reporting, but at times downright viscious. Not in editorials, but in news stories .
May be so...but I believe that we got it right in the last 90 years or so and evolved to a journalistic philosophy that included a much more non-partisan, fact based reporting of the events of the day. Unfortunately, the media has abandoned that philosophy and now spins the news to whatever lean they have.
Many politicians state that a free media is essential in our country...and I agree with that. Unfortunately, there is no free media today as none of them report the news that is 'free' from opinion.
posted by wkfanMay be so...but I believe that we got it right in the last 90 years or so and evolved to a journalistic philosophy that included a much more non-partisan, fact based reporting of the events of the day. Unfortunately, the media has abandoned that philosophy and now spins the news to whatever lean they have.
Many politicians state that a free media is essential in our country...and I agree with that. Unfortunately, there is no free media today as none of them report the news that is 'free' from opinion.
I definitely agree with your last paragraph. I think the only way is to use the abundance of sources and piece together, as much as is possible, some semblance of the truth. That is admittedly difficult.
Here's a follow-up question to that: Do you think a non-partisan media outlet would be able to survive financially?
I'm not sure which came first, the biased media outlets or the audiences who have effectively "voted" out any possibility of it with their viewership.
Hmmmmm......Zuckerberg interviewing with Dana Perino and sounding rather not-socialist. I guess threatening to break-up your company and take your money will do that to even the most hardened progressives!
posted by O-TrapHere's a follow-up question to that: Do you think a non-partisan media outlet would be able to survive financially?
I'm not sure which came first, the biased media outlets or the audiences who have effectively "voted" out any possibility of it with their viewership.
I don't know if a "non-partisan" media outlet is possible. Mainly because "non-partisan" is subjective in itself What one guy considers to be objective, another may see as blatantly partisan. If in a perfect world you were able to construct a media source that had no subjectivity to it, it probably would not do well. We want confirmation of our beliefs more than any objective truth. That's because we're human beings and it's in our survival nature to find our pack. I personally don't believe there ever has been anything like an objective news media because I don't think it is even possible. That's not new today either. There is a term that I am too lazy to look up that names the tendency of any group of humans presently living to believe they are at a unique crossroads like non before. We are like that with the media and the partisan nature of our country today. There is nothing unique about either in our human history. But because we're in the midst of it, we tend to see it as a unique condition - unprecedented - and to also believe our future is at stake.
Global warming, the invasion of the Latinos, Trump, Pelosi, etc. We can't be practical or impartial to these things. It ain't in us.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI don't know if a "non-partisan" media outlet is possible. Mainly because "non-partisan" is subjective in itself
No it's not. It absolutely is possible, especially for journalists educated and trained throughout their career, to state simply the facts [on both sides] and avoid biased language. And it was much, much better 25-30 years ago.
It seems like you think some facts are partisan and others are not. Facts are facts - omission of facts is partisan, and the injection of opinion and biased language, along with one-sided facts, has been a gradual development over the past 2 decades.
posted by gutNo it's not. It absolutely is possible, especially for journalists educated and trained throughout their career, to state simply the facts [on both sides] and avoid biased language. And it was much, much better 25-30 years ago.
It seems like you think some facts are partisan and others are not. Facts are facts - omission of facts is partisan, and the injection of opinion and biased language, along with one-sided facts, has been a gradual development over the past 2 decades.
Non-partisan is a subjective thing because there is no way to ever say what are all the facts, or what are the selection of facts that need to be included in the reporting. Those are judgements based upon a person's opinion. Reporting involves conveying something to people who aren't physically present. There's no way a person can do that in a completely objective way. What may be an irrelevant fact to the reporter may be of upmost importance to a recepient. That it wasn't included then gives that person the impression that the reporter is promoting a bias.
So, all of Canada is confirmed racist. That’s how this works, right?
posted by like_thatSo, all of Canada is confirmed racist. That’s how this works, right?
Not exactly. Trudeau just solicited some foreign assistance to help him overcome the black face issue. Everyone knows Obama would never endorse a racist.
posted by like_thatSo, all of Canada is confirmed racist. That’s how this works, right?
I'm pretty sure they need ID's to vote too. The Horror
posted by iclfan2I'm pretty sure they need ID's to vote too. The Horror
But But But.....healthcare
The slippery slope of letting the left be as woke as they want: a jury has found that a father had to let his ex wife try to transition their 7 year old son. If you are in support of this you are a disgusting monster. Way to go lefties.
Beyond the pale
posted by iclfan2The slippery slope of letting the left be as woke as they want: a jury has found that a father had to let his ex wife try to transition their 7 year old son. If you are in support of this you are a disgusting monster. Way to go lefties.
It's because some social circles apparently attach status to how "woke" you are.....like adopting a kid from Africa, transitioning your 7-yr old, etc....
I think some of this is approaching a mental health issue in its own right. Gotta be some form of OCD or anxiety disorder or combinations of.
posted by gutIt's because some social circles apparently attach status to how "woke" you are.....like adopting a kid from Africa, transitioning your 7-yr old, etc....
I think some of this is approaching a mental health issue in its own right. Gotta be some form of OCD or anxiety disorder or combinations of.
Bingo!
CNN rolling out the dinosaurs. These guys are two of the "journalists" I grew up with. But surely they never let their political leanings shine back then in their reporting.
Has anyone seen the Katie Hill (congress woman) stuff? I know it’s hard with the garbage media, but posting nude pics to websites, having affairs with staffers. If this were a man or a republican the you’d never here the end of it.
