Progressives, part 3...

When I said you don’t believe that police brutality is a thing that meant you didn’t have to explain it to me. I remember the last 5 times we had this conversation lol 

posted by FatHobbit

I don't listen to msm at all. Most of my friends and family are Republican. Most of them think Trump is a train wreck. The handful who openly support Trump are the same people who think the blacks need to know their place or that they were getting a free ride under Obama.

I would think it's obvious, given how Trump and MAGA became associated with racism, that anyone who cares about being labeled a racist would deny even the things they agree with Trump on.

There's also a lot of people who saw Trump as the lesser of two trainwrecks.  And those are the people who will never admit voting for him and, depending on what socialist yahoo Dems run, might pretend they didn't vote for him again.

Honestly, seeing the race-baiting directed at Biden and Buttigieg is just sad.  If you want to talk about marginalizing and diminishing the issue, then keep throwing around baseless accusations like that.  LOL, "that's racist!" is literally already a meme.

I absolutely don't believe that "MAGA" means that minorities stay in their lane. I've been trying to bend my imagination to see where that comes from but it just must not be all that flexible. I've been thinking about this since I read the above and I just ain't buying what ya'll are selling. 

posted by FatHobbit

I don't listen to msm at all. Most of my friends and family are Republican. Most of them think Trump is a train wreck. The handful who openly support Trump are the same people who think the blacks need to know their place or that they were getting a free ride under Obama. They are the same people who think senators or representatives should be removed because they are Muslim. The same people who think their religion should be taught in schools. The same people who defend every ridiculous thing Trump says. 

I know that's not a scientific poll but I do see where geeblock is coming from. 

Trump, when it comes to his morals/personal life/etc is absolutely a train wreck. I mean he has been married 3 times, cheated on probably all of them (with porn stars), etc. Saying a guy is a sleezeball with actual evidence is different than saying he is racist based off nothing but out of context sound bites. He has nominated more people of color and women into positions than any other POTUS in history (I believe, would have to go look it up again to verify). 

Your "poll" is more that idiots/racists like him, but that doesn't prove that he is a racist which is what some of you are trying to portray, especially with that MAGA is racist discussion.

I don't disagree that when it comes to his morals he is a train wreck, but no one can truly look at his actions (employment history, POTUS nominations, actual policies passed, etc) and say any of them are racist. The closest would be the "Muslim ban" which really wasn't, it was a small handful of countries that support terrorism ban (a list created by the Obama administration). Muslim's from every other country in the world except those 5 or 6 were free to come still. If it was a racist Muslim ban, it would have denied ALL Muslims, not just Muslims from terrorist countries.

I am not even saying I AGREED with the ban, but I can sit back, ignore the MSM, and realize that it wasn't racist.

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/pot-citations-are-given-to-whites-while-blacks-are-jailed-new-police-data-shows-10701707

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/07/17/what-data-on-20-million-traffic-stops-can-tell-us-about-driving-while-black/?utm_term=.3fa9b3e9d3d5

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/black-missouri-drivers-91-more-likely-to-be-stopped-state-attorney-general-finds

blacks are more likely to be pulled over, more likely to have their car searched, more likely to be ticketed, overprosecuted and overcharged in this country compared to whites and receive longer sentences with comparative records. You sound like the person who defends stop and frisk      Because “hey if you don’t do anything illegal you have nothing to worry about”. When you aren’t the one who would ever get stop and frisked     

posted by jmog

3. You didn't listen to what your coworker said. The "ok" symbol is not racist, has never been racist, and won't be racist. However, some idiots in the MSM called it racist so now people make fun of the absurdity of calling it racist by showing it all over the place. That isn't them pretending to be racist, that is them making fun of people who call everything and anything racist even when it isn't.

Steph Curry's golf hats say "Welcome to muh white supremacy!"

posted by geeblock

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/pot-citations-are-given-to-whites-while-blacks-are-jailed-new-police-data-shows-10701707

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/07/17/what-data-on-20-million-traffic-stops-can-tell-us-about-driving-while-black/?utm_term=.3fa9b3e9d3d5

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/black-missouri-drivers-91-more-likely-to-be-stopped-state-attorney-general-finds

blacks are more likely to be pulled over, more likely to have their car searched, more likely to be ticketed, overprosecuted and overcharged in this country compared to whites and receive longer sentences with comparative records. You sound like the person who defends stop and frisk      Because “hey if you don’t do anything illegal you have nothing to worry about”. When you aren’t the one who would ever get stop and frisked     

All criminal justice problems and not police problems.  You just made my point, yet the outrage is directed at the police.  And that's wrong.

Again, what kicked off the kneeling and BLM was specifically wrongful shooting by police (most of which turned out, once the dust settled, to be justified).  Research shows blacks are LESS LIKELY to be shot by police, eventhough police are MORE LIKELY to be shot by blacks.  And black cops are more likely to shoot black than their fellow white officers.  That entire movement is founded on a false premise.  And as those false reasons got knocked down, then revisionist history kicked in to say "no it was about inequalities in the justice system all along". 

So Trump defends police, correctly, while also signing criminal justice reform [also correctly].  Hmmm....he's got this more right than Obama ever did.

posted by CenterBHSFan

 I've been trying to bend my imagination to see where that comes from but it just must not be all that flexible.

It's not rocket science, just simple identity politics.  The point of which is it's an appeal to emotion that dismisses facts and logic.  That's why guns and abortion are such popular platform topics (on both sides), because you don't have to know anything to make a passionate appeal to emotion.

Meanwhile, Bernie is going to pay for all his free shit with a 0.5% tax on stock transactions (that's a total over 1% after you've bought and sold it), but curiously only 0.1% on bonds.

First off, LMAO at the old rich guy who's probably 100% in bonds taxing stocks at 5X the rate.  Second, this is both stupid and ignorant.  Of course, it's very unlikely to ever pass even if Dems had a supermajority (can't see NY, CA and IL supporting it).

Several Dems are really getting behind a wealth tax.  Actually not a terrible idea, although completely unnecessary in a world where you have an estate tax, and the estate tax is currently well below the threshold being proposed at $20-$50M or more.  Really you just need to close a couple loopholes that circumvent the estate tax, but closing loopholes doesn't play as well as soaking the rich with a wealth tax.

Also I have a question while I have everyone’s attention about a serious matter. So the oil and vinegar that you order at sub places like subway or dibelas ect.. what type of oil is that and what type of vinegar is that? I tried to recreate it at home but it didn’t taste the same . I bought olive oil and white wine vinegar. Should I have gotten just white vinegar? Red wine vinegar? This is anno

The only oil and vinegar that I'm familiar with at restaurants is extra virgin olive oil and balsamic vinegar.

posted by gut

All criminal justice problems and not police problems.  You just made my point, yet the outrage is directed at the police.  And that's wrong.

Again, what kicked off the kneeling and BLM was specifically wrongful shooting by police (most of which turned out, once the dust settled, to be justified).  Research shows blacks are LESS LIKELY to be shot by police, eventhough police are MORE LIKELY to be shot by blacks.  And black cops are more likely to shoot black than their fellow white officers.  That entire movement is founded on a false premise.  And as those false reasons got knocked down, then revisionist history kicked in to say "no it was about inequalities in the justice system all along". 

So Trump defends police, correctly, while also signing criminal justice reform [also correctly].  Hmmm....he's got this more right than Obama ever did.

The police are the ones specifically referenced in the articles. I should be more clear on here when I talk. When I said police brutality I should have clarified specifically the killing of unarmed blacks at a disproportionate rates. George Zimmerman travels the country getting. Skittles bags signed so please miss me with I only use my friends as the narr

Not sure if this was brought up but... Beto's war tax. Fuck this guy, he's signalling exactly what he wants to do.

posted by gut

Meanwhile, Bernie is going to pay for all his free shit with a 0.5% tax on stock transactions (that's a total over 1% after you've bought and sold it), but curiously only 0.1% on bonds.

The student debt thing is fucking ridiculous. Oh I paid $250k to go to my dream school, and now I'm a sociology professor making $70k a year and can't pay it off... Hmm well you're stupid, so deal with it. No one forced anyone to get absurd loans and go to these stupid colleges. Not to mention, you are still bailing out middle class people who already have better job prospects than poor people. The whole thing makes no sense except for the morons who love sucking on the government teet.

Weird how even though the bank offered me way more in a mortgage I only bought what I wanted to afford.  

posted by geeblock

Also I have a question while I have everyone’s attention about a serious matter. So the oil and vinegar that you order at sub places like subway or dibelas ect.. what type of oil is that and what type of vinegar is that? I tried to recreate it at home but it didn’t taste the same . I bought olive oil and white wine vinegar. Should I have gotten just white vinegar? Red wine vinegar? This is anno

Hmm I think it is red wine vinegar that they sit out on like salad bars with the oil.

Dems have to see all the shit that Bernie says and think.......dang this guy is going to get Trump reelected.

posted by Spock

Dems have to see all the shit that Bernie says and think.......dang this guy is going to get Trump reelected.

I've seen a few blue check marks that were democrats say this. Most do not, however. They are all in for Grandpa Commie, I think.

posted by CenterBHSFan

I've seen a few blue check marks that were democrats say this. Most do not, however. They are all in for Grandpa Commie, I think.

I guess they will back any batshit crazy person if they think its the only chance to dump trump

posted by CenterBHSFan

I've seen a few blue check marks that were democrats say this. Most do not, however. They are all in for Grandpa Commie, I think.

Even with a supermajority, I can't see Crazy Commie getting any of this passed.  I like to believe there's still a few moderate Dems in the Senate that wouldn't go along.

They couldn't pass single payer with a near supermajority.  And the problem with these plans is it can't be revenue neutral, so you aren't pushing this thru without the requisite tax increases.  You'll never get 60 Dems in the Senate to pass the massive tax increases needed to fund all this.

Now if Dems get rid of the fillibuster.....then we're fucked.

posted by geeblock

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/pot-citations-are-given-to-whites-while-blacks-are-jailed-new-police-data-shows-10701707

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/07/17/what-data-on-20-million-traffic-stops-can-tell-us-about-driving-while-black/?utm_term=.3fa9b3e9d3d5

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/black-missouri-drivers-91-more-likely-to-be-stopped-state-attorney-general-finds

blacks are more likely to be pulled over, more likely to have their car searched, more likely to be ticketed, overprosecuted and overcharged in this country compared to whites and receive longer sentences with comparative records. You sound like the person who defends stop and frisk      Because “hey if you don’t do anything illegal you have nothing to worry about”. When you aren’t the one who would ever get stop and frisked     

Absolutely there have been issues with sentencing and racial profiling, not denying that at all. 

Didnt Trump just sign a law that mostly helped black people get out of jail to correct these problems (over sentencing and jail for non-violent drug crimes)? Seems like people of color would love Trump for this since Clinton, Bush, not Obama got such things passed (Clinton actually made the oversentencing problem worse with his crime bills). 

Your links are not wrong, but why complain about Trump when he is the first POTUS to sign something to help fix these problems. 

Also, none of the links refute the fact that whites are just as likely to be brutalized by police. These are different subjects all together.