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QuakerOats Senior Member
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Thu, Oct 14, 2021 11:54 AM

jen psaki if spending bill costs zero why raise debt ceiling


gut Senior Member
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Thu, Oct 14, 2021 5:20 PM
posted by jmog

So your math and assumption is that the person got no raise in 35 years? Come on, use an ACTUAL realistic assumption.

Oh JFC....here you go again, clowning yourself at an increasingly alarming rate, and then moving the goal posts and engaging intellectually dishonest arguments (but maybe "intellectual" is a poor choice of words).

Before I waste my time further responding to the rest of your bullshit, do you actually understand the time value of money, and the difference between real and nominal inflation?

It's really simple guy - you said "someone making $20 per hour will pay in over $600k in their lifetime".  No.  That math is very easy.  You said nothing about where that person is in their career, or what their REAL wage increases will be.  The FACT is, middle class wages have seen very, very little real wage growth in the past 30+ years.  Given that trend, regardless of inflation the present value of their contributions - and present value is the relevant comparison - is less than $250k.

I really fucking hope you don't build bridges.


gut Senior Member
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Thu, Oct 14, 2021 5:28 PM
posted by jmog

but you are getting ridiculous, almost as bad as SnL was).

Look, the whiny bitch leads out with the insults, again. What did you say that implies about your argument?  I didn't insult you in either post, and just said you're wrong (and you definitely are).  Every time someone says you're wrong, YOU are always the first to go right to the personal insults.  Or at least that's my experience in my last two exchanges with you.

Stay in your intellectual lane, because every time you wander out of it you get wrecked.

jmog Senior Member
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Thu, Oct 14, 2021 5:35 PM
posted by gut

Oh JFC....here you go again, clowning yourself at an increasingly alarming rate, and then moving the goal posts and engaging intellectually dishonest arguments (but maybe "intellectual" is a poor choice of words).

Before I waste my time further responding to the rest of your bullshit, do you actually understand the time value of money, and the difference between real and nominal inflation?

It's really simple guy - you said "someone making $20 per hour will pay in over $600k in their lifetime".  No.  That math is very easy.  You said nothing about where that person is in their career, or what their REAL wage increases will be.  The FACT is, middle class wages have seen very, very little real wage growth in the past 30+ years.  Given that trend, regardless of inflation the present value of their contributions - and present value is the relevant comparison - is less than $250k.

I really fucking hope you don't build bridges.


I see back to the ad hominem once you are proven wrong.


I said someone who is in their 20s and starts making $20/hr. 


You assumed I meant someone who never gets a raise for some dumb fucking reason.


I can't help it if you don't understand the math and the logical discussion, not my problem (see, ad hominem is GREAT!).


Don't quit your day job because logical reasoning is not your forte, did you let SnL take over your account?


If you want to discuss the present value of money, which is a valid concern, then we also have to discuss the ROI if you invested same/said contributions in a normal retirement age mutual fund which would average 6-8% per year over the course of 35 years.


That would take my $600k into the $2 million dollar range.


I bet you don't want to go there, however, and will resort back to your bull shit ad hominem. 


Stick to real scenarios, not someone who gets no raise for 35 years. It may help your dumb arguments.


Let me know if you want me to share the table with the calculations as it appears you are having problems with them SnL.

jmog Senior Member
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Thu, Oct 14, 2021 5:37 PM
posted by gut

Look, the whiny bitch leads out with the insults, again. What did you say that implies about your argument?  I didn't insult you in either post, and just said you're wrong (and you definitely are).  Every time someone says you're wrong, YOU are always the first to go right to the personal insults.  Or at least that's my experience in my last two exchanges with you.

Stay in your intellectual lane, because every time you wander out of it you get wrecked.

I can't believe you actually said I started the insults.


Did you get Alzheimer's all the sudden or dementia? You may want to go back and read your own posts, or just edit them to save face.



gut Senior Member
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Thu, Oct 14, 2021 5:39 PM
posted by jmog

I see back to the ad hominem once you are proven wrong.


So that would be a big fat "NO" that you don't understand time value of money, Real vs. Nominal, or how to build economic models and do comparisons?

And you always initiate the insults.  You don't want to get clowned and called a whiny bitch, then stop doubling and tripling down on your ignorant bullshit and calling people names because you don't know what you're talking about.

Dr Winston O'Boogie Senior Member
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Thu, Oct 14, 2021 5:41 PM

Seems to have generated into the worst thread ever.  


gut Senior Member
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Thu, Oct 14, 2021 5:42 PM
posted by jmog

I can't believe you actually said I started the insults.


Did you get Alzheimer's all the sudden or dementia? You may want to go back and read your own posts, or just edit them to save face.

LOL....the first engagement you started with "CNN talking points" before I ever insulted you.  Here again you start by calling me S&L before I ever insulted you.  Both cases you simply got triggered because I said "you're wrong".

jmog Senior Member
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Thu, Oct 14, 2021 5:51 PM
posted by gut

So that would be a big fat "NO" that you don't understand time value of money, Real vs. Nominal, or how to build economic models and do comparisons?

And you always initiate the insults.  You don't want to get clowned and called a whiny bitch, then stop doubling and tripling down on your ignorant bullshit and calling people names because you don't know what you're talking about.

You calling someone a whiny bitch is rather ironic, keep it up. I was proven right by math, you started calling me a whiny bitch because you were proven wrong and changed the argument, aka moving the goalposts.

gut Senior Member
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Thu, Oct 14, 2021 5:57 PM
posted by jmog

You calling someone a whiny bitch is rather ironic, keep it up. I was proven right by math, you started calling me a whiny bitch because you were proven wrong and changed the argument, aka moving the goalposts.

No you aren't.  You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about because you clearly don't understand NPV and Real/Nominal. The math is simple and your assumptions, errr your new assumptions, are garbage.

Just stop already.  It's OK not to be an expert on every subject.

jmog Senior Member
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Thu, Oct 14, 2021 6:06 PM
posted by gut

No you aren't.  You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about because you clearly don't understand NPV and Real/Nominal. The math is simple and your assumptions, errr your new assumptions, are garbage.

Just stop already.  It's OK not to be an expert on every subject.

I literally said that someone who starts at $20/hr will contribute $600k over their lifetime.


You said I was wrong.


I showed the math to prove I was right.


You moved the goalposts to talk about present value of money, which by the way chemical engineers take a whole semester on for project ROI and viablity, FYI. 


I never said they put in $650k of 2021 dollars, you decided to change it to that once you realized I was right.


Its ok to admit when you are wrong.

justincredible Honorable Admin
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Thu, Oct 14, 2021 6:08 PM
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Seems to have generated into the worst thread ever.  


Indeed.

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