Israel-Palestine

posted by jmog

They are terrorists (Hamas) there is no logic behind what they did. 

Boy, you haven't learned anything from the last 20+ years. 

posted by jmog

Don’t care if you’re left/right/center, Rashida Tlaib should be kicked out of Congress immediately.

She blamed Israel for Hamas’ attacks.

I’ve never hit a woman, but I could make an exception for her.

“I grieve the Palestinian and Israeli lives lost yesterday, today, and every day,” Tlaib said. “I am determined as ever to fight for a just future where everyone can live in peace, without fear and with true freedom, equal rights, and human dignity. The path to that future must include lifting the blockade, ending the occupation and dismantling the apartheid system that creates the suffocating, dehumanizing conditions that can lead to resistance. 

“The failure to recognize the violent reality of living under siege, occupation, and apartheid makes no one safer,” she said. “No person, no child anywhere should have to suffer or live in fear of violence. We cannot ignore the humanity in each other. As long as our country provides billions in unconditional funding to support the apartheid government, this heartbreaking cycle of violence will continue.”

Not great. 

She is not wrong about there being two different types of people in Israel. Again, this has been building for years. 

posted by Automatik

Israel is about to be nice nice with Saudi Arabia. Iran doesn't like that. 

Exactly, and that would hurt the Palestinian cause...meaning that could be a reason they attacked now, part of their rational...not just because they are terrorists.

posted by jmog

Don’t care if you’re left/right/center, Rashida Tlaib should be kicked out of Congress immediately.

“I grieve the Palestinian and Israeli lives lost yesterday, today, and every day,” Tlaib said. “I am determined as ever to fight for a just future where everyone can live in peace, without fear and with true freedom, equal rights, and human dignity. The path to that future must include lifting the blockade, ending the occupation and dismantling the apartheid system that creates the suffocating, dehumanizing conditions that can lead to resistance. 

“The failure to recognize the violent reality of living under siege, occupation, and apartheid makes no one safer,” she said. “No person, no child anywhere should have to suffer or live in fear of violence. We cannot ignore the humanity in each other. As long as our country provides billions in unconditional funding to support the apartheid government, this heartbreaking cycle of violence will continue.”

Without question, and immediately.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Boy, you haven't learned anything from the last 20+ years. 

Ah yes, the typical centrist ptown trying to belittle others to prove he is so smart….

“Boy” would not be the normal way to debate a topic.

Hamas is a terrorist organization.

Terrorist organizations commit senseless violence for political gain.

Therefore Hamas commits senseless violence for political gain.

Hamas doesn’t act logical, no terrorist group does. They are like serial killers, they just want the world to burn.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Not great. 

She is not wrong about there being two different types of people in Israel. Again, this has been building for years. 

Can’t believe you are somewhat defending her… good God man, you still believe you are a centrist?

She f’ing blamed Israel for this attack.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Exactly, and that would hurt the Palestinian cause...meaning that could be a reason they attacked now, part of their rational...not just because they are terrorists.

They are terrorists who thirst for violence. That means that any stupid reason is a reason for them to kill people. That doesn’t make it logical or mean the other side was wrong for doing the thing that triggered them.

They are terrorists who just committed a terrorist act. Stop trying to explain it away. 

posted by jmog

Can’t believe you are somewhat defending her… good God man, you still believe you are a centrist?

She f’ing blamed Israel for this attack.

Not blaming them at all. Her comments were wrong

As I said though, this has been boiling up for years. That doesn't justify the horrible acts at all. I separate the two. 

posted by jmog

They are terrorists who thirst for violence. That means that any stupid reason is a reason for them to kill people. That doesn’t make it logical or mean the other side was wrong for doing the thing that triggered them.

They are terrorists who just committed a terrorist act. Stop trying to explain it away. 

Again, you would think the lessons of the past 20 years would change your line of thinking. 

posted by jmog

Ah yes, the typical centrist ptown trying to belittle others to prove he is so smart….

“Boy” would not be the normal way to debate a topic.

Hamas is a terrorist organization.

Terrorist organizations commit senseless violence for political gain.

Therefore Hamas commits senseless violence for political gain.

Hamas doesn’t act logical, no terrorist group does. They are like serial killers, they just want the world to burn.

Yeah, that's not right and every single counter terrorism expert and government official disagrees with you. 

You are a thoughtful and rational guy, don't fall for the typical trap that all terrorists are irrational and have no reasoning behind their action. You would think all of our failures the last decade plus would tell you that. 

Is this where you two go back and forth for eternity and the rest bow out of the thread? 

posted by Automatik

Is this where you two go back and forth for eternity and the rest bow out of the thread? 

We could send them to do the negotiations between the two sides! A couple hours of never-ending, circular arguments over such scintillating details such as the exact percentage of blame each side deserves in their never-ending conflict and whether the terrorists have an actual plan or are just fucking shit up for the lulz JUST MIGHT be enough to give everyone involved one fuck of a headache and decide the really uneasy and shaky status quo is still good enough!

posted by Automatik

Is this where you two go back and forth for eternity and the rest bow out of the thread? 

Happened for me a day ago. Was checking in to see if I was right... yep.

I find the topic interesting, so I mostly stick to Reddit. It's more actual WTF is happening focused instead of I'm right, you're wrong bullshit. 

posted by Heretic

We could send them to do the negotiations between the two sides! A couple hours of never-ending, circular arguments over such scintillating details such as the exact percentage of blame each side deserves in their never-ending conflict and whether the terrorists have an actual plan or are just fucking shit up for the lulz JUST MIGHT be enough to give everyone involved one fuck of a headache and decide the really uneasy and shaky status quo is still good enough!

May have bested your previous mark with this 70 word run-on sentence (depending on how you count hyphenated words).  Congrats.

Meanwhile we are 4 days in with a lot of Americans killed, wounded and held hostage, with no words - not even scripted - from the occupier of the White House.   Incredible.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Not blaming them at all. Her comments were wrong

As I said though, this has been boiling up for years. That doesn't justify the horrible acts at all. I separate the two. 

She blames Israel for the attacks, period.

40 babies, some of which were beheaded, killed by Hamas group that had infiltrated outside of Gaza that Israel just got back…

I wonder what LOGICAL REASON was behind their thinking in that process?

https://nbcmontana.com/amp/news/nation-world/at-least-40-babies-killed-beheaded-in-israeli-kibbutz-outside-gaza-reports-say-israel-palestine-hamas-terrorists-terrorism-invasion-middle-east-conflict-attack

Why don’t your two just exchange contact info? 

I always like to belabor my point when I know I'm not going to change the other persons mind because it's really a good use of everyone's time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/calls-grow-for-ilhan-omar-aoc-cori-bush-and-rashida-tlaib-to-be-expelled-from-congress/ar-AA1hXYLy?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=96d60e86cc3540808df9711ee06348c4&ei=10

Tomorrow wouldn't be too soon.