Impressed by the Trump administration part II

Stop giving money to them. The UN is a joke. I also don't care about Israel, but we can consider their capital wherever we want to.

posted by CenterBHSFan

So, I'm supportive of what Nikki Haley/Trump administration has declared to the UN (whom I'm not a fan of to begin with). I'm also not sure how I feel about finding some support to throw his way, but whatever.  But I'm also not one of those people who roll around on the ground, babbling and twitching at the thought of Israel.

The chart below shows who was for condemning the US for deciding to move the embassy to Jerusalem, against or abstained from voting:

Huh, 128-9 with 35 either not giving enough fucks to vote or abstaining because we're a close enough neighbor that apparently voting yes would be construed as "awkward" at diplomatic events. Yep, definitely deserves to fit in the RESTORING CONFIDENCE IN AND RESPECT FOR AMERICA category because nothing says respect than essentially getting the same reaction I would if I told my bosses I wanted a 1500% raise in salary effective now.

posted by Heretic

Huh, 128-9 with 35 either not giving enough fucks to vote or abstaining because we're a close enough neighbor that apparently voting yes would be construed as "awkward" at diplomatic events. Yep, definitely deserves to fit in the RESTORING CONFIDENCE IN AND RESPECT FOR AMERICA category because nothing says respect than essentially getting the same reaction I would if I told my bosses I wanted a 1500% raise in salary effective now.

Of course, the European countries were probably shitting their pants over what their Muslim immigrats might do if they didn't condemn the US decision.

I'm glad we're constantly putting our country behind the desires of Israel.  It's been so worth it up to now.  Why not continue?

Nearly 3/4 of all UN member nations have recognized a Palestinian state before a final peace agreement has been signed.  The US recognizes Jeruselem as the capital of Isreal before a final peace has been signed and you have Turkey going apeshit, Western European nations pissing down their legs, and Russia stirring the pot.

By the way Canada a few years back was one of just 9 nations that voted against a resolution upping the status of the Palestinians.  The US and Israel being two of the others.  I doubt they are worried about akward diplomatic events.  The Canadian position on this is very similar to the US.

posted by majorspark

Nearly 3/4 of all UN member nations have recognized a Palestinian state before a final peace agreement has been signed.  The US recognizes Jeruselem as the capital of Isreal before a final peace has been signed and you have Turkey going apeshit, Western European nations pissing down their legs, and Russia stirring the pot.

By the way Canada a few years back was one of just 9 nations that voted against a resolution upping the status of the Palestinians.  The US and Israel being two of the others.  I doubt they are worried about akward diplomatic events.  The Canadian position on this is very similar to the US.

Was this before Trudeau or after his election?

posted by CenterBHSFan

Was this before Trudeau or after his election?

Before.  Stephan Harper.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the UN.  Also, big shocker that Dr. Winston "I am very moderate" Boogie is ok with all of these countries condemning the US.  What will we ever do without Venezuela's support, while they starve their entire nation?!?!

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I'm glad we're constantly putting our country behind the desires of Israel.  It's been so worth it up to now.  Why not continue?

Israel is a sovereign nation.  They have decided that Jerusalem is their capital.  We are a sovereign nation,  we have chosen to put our embassy in the capital. This was decided in 1995.  It was affirmed by the Senate this summer.  Now the libtards are up in arms because "Muh Drumpf!"  If he hadn't done this,  it would have been used as more "proof" he's a Nazi.

posted by superman

Israel is a sovereign nation.  They have decided that Jerusalem is their capital.  We are a sovereign nation,  we have chosen to put our embassy in the capital. This was decided in 1995.  It was affirmed by the Senate this summer.  Now the libtards are up in arms because "Muh Drumpf!"  If he hadn't done this,  it would have been used as more "proof" he's a Nazi.

There is not one other nation in the world that gets its way with our government like Israel - not even close.  The capital in Jerusalem - really nice.  In reality, it's a landmine issue that we have no reason to have to get into the middle of.  Whether the capital is in Jerusalem is of no concern to us.  It may be wrong how the Palestineans look at the issue as well.  So we need to stay out of it.  We're boholden to Israel despite the fact that Israel does not have our best interest at heart.  $3.1 billion per year given to them, so to hell with worrying about where they want their capital to be.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

There is not one other nation in the world that gets its way with our government like Israel - not even close.  The capital in Jerusalem - really nice.  In reality, it's a landmine issue that we have no reason to have to get into the middle of.  Whether the capital is in Jerusalem is of no concern to us.  It may be wrong how the Palestineans look at the issue as well.  So we need to stay out of it.  We're boholden to Israel despite the fact that Israel does not have our best interest at heart.  $3.1 billion per year given to them, so to hell with worrying about where they want their capital to be.

Every other nation in the world picks their own capital.  If we have an embassy in their country,  we put it in the capital.  Why should Israel be any different?   

$3.1 billion is cheap to have an ally in the middle east.  

The only reason the UN cares is that sweet Opec money.   

The only reason Libtards care is TDS.  

I am glad that we are flexing at the UN.  We are percieved as weak since Obama bowed down to everyone.  Guess what UN?  Trump is not Obama.  Just get in line and get your money.  THe STFU

Anyone notice isadore didn’t make it over from the old site? It’s been so lovely. 

posted by superman

Every other nation in the world picks their own capital.  If we have an embassy in their country,  we put it in the capital.  Why should Israel be any different?   

$3.1 billion is cheap to have an ally in the middle east.  

The only reason the UN cares is that sweet Opec money.   

The only reason 

The rest of the world is looking for a reasonable path forward.  There were people there before Israel appeared on the map 60 years ago. They have a right to have a sovereign country as well. Until that time comes, this issue should wait. Trump is pushing it forward because he’s always been in the bag for Israel. Plus he gets another of his f-you’s to the world (in his mind at least). 

This is angle of “Trump’s showing the rest of the world what a badass he is” is a simpleton explanation. 

Trump already tried to make himself look like a badass with MOAB. Truthfully, I don't think he is and that if you really want to see a "badass" all you have to do is look at Mattis. 

I'm still supportive of the move. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

 

The rest of the world is looking for a reasonable path forward.  There were people there before Israel appeared on the map 60 years ago. They have a right to have a sovereign country as well. Until that time comes, this issue should wait. Trump is pushing it forward because he’s always been in the bag for Israel. Plus he gets another of his f-you’s to the world (in his mind at least). 

 

This is angle of “Trump’s showing the rest of the world what a badass he is” is a simpleton explanation. 

So is Trump a Nazi or in the bag for Israel?  

I can't keep it straight with you libtards.

posted by superman

So is Trump a Nazi or in the bag for Israel?  

I can't keep it straight with you libtards.

I’ve never referred to Trump as a nazi.  He clearly is going to put Israel’s interests on par with ours though.  He’s not the first to have done that.  Our country has paid and continues to pay a dear price for this.  All for a “strategic partner” in the Middle East?  And that has been to our advantage how?  When we pick up the next Israeli spy in the US, is it an advantage because it makes the paperwork easier before we send him home?

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I’ve never referred to Trump as a nazi.  He clearly is going to put Israel’s interests on par with ours though.  He’s not the first to have done that.  Our country has paid and continues to pay a dear price for this.  All for a “strategic partner” in the Middle East?  And that has been to our advantage how?  When we pick up the next Israeli spy in the US, is it an advantage because it makes the paperwork easier before we send him home?

 

 

 Do you really not see the advantages of having an ally in the middle east?   

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

 

The rest of the world is looking for a reasonable path forward.  There were people there before Israel appeared on the map 60 years ago. They have a right to have a sovereign country as well. Until that time comes, this issue should wait. Trump is pushing it forward because he’s always been in the bag for Israel. Plus he gets another of his f-you’s to the world (in his mind at least). 

 

This is angle of “Trump’s showing the rest of the world what a badass he is” is a simpleton explanation. 

The Palestinians have been offered a free state 5 separate times. 

All 5 times they declined because Israel still existed in plan. A couple of those times outside countries like Jordan, Egypt, etc attacked Israel for the mere reason that they existed as a country. 

The 3 most prominent Times was;

-1947 they refused to accept the UN resolution 181 which called for a 2 state solution. 

-2000 President Clinton hosted Arafat and Barak at Camp David  Israel gave up vast concessions and accepted Clinton’s proposal  Arafat refused, returned home, and launched missiles.

-2008 Olmert met with Abbas and presented a peace plan  Olmert’s plan that would have created a Palestinian state in 97% of the West Bank  Abbas refused. 

Lets not act like the Palestinians are just asking for their own state, that is hogwash as they have been offered their own state and REFUSED multiple times. All because they didn’t get the whole country of Israel. Palestine wants Israel and the Jews to not exist in the Middle East.

Over in the Disgusted/Trump thread I said that there is a part of the left that is prejudiced against Israel. I need to update my opinion because it seems that more and more people who lean left or are totally on the left have this prejudice. 

And while they can have this opinion about Israel, I'd be very interested in finding out exactly why they have this opinion. Because I'm not sure if there is a reason why. Or at least a logical reason. In my own opinion, I'm starting to think it's just a vitriolic reaction because they are unable or unwilling to include all of the historical facts. 

It very much reminds me of the old debate of why the south seceded. Many people will say that the south left because of the lack of state's rights over their own economy - without being able to acknowledge the fact that the south, at that tme, wasn't able to have an economy without slave labor. There was simply not enough industry or mercantile business to rely on. 

I keep saying this (lol) but one of these days I'm going to start a thread about Israel. I think it would be a good discussion.