How free is your state?

like_that 1st Team All-PWN

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Wed, Feb 6, 2019 9:27 AM

Pretty solid read. I am sure you can weight the factors differently, but this is pretty thorough. I am not shocked to see NY and NJ, where they are, but a little surprised California isn't lower.

https://mises.org/power-market/new-york-americas-least-free-state-which-most-libertarian

ptown_trojans_1 Moderator

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Wed, Feb 6, 2019 9:35 AM

CA is so large and diverse that it does not surprise me. I thought Ohio would be a little higher on the list, given the swings to the right the last 10+ years.

My state, Maryland, is right where I thought it would be.

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843

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Wed, Feb 6, 2019 9:38 AM

Isn't California at 48 in overall freedom score? Can't get much lower than New York and Hawaii. Ohio is not bad, and on an upward trend from the last table. SC not so great, but also on the up-swing in recent years.

like_that 1st Team All-PWN

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Wed, Feb 6, 2019 9:41 AM

Oops, I was looking at the overall growth chart and not the overall freedom chart. I take back my statement, I am not surprised at all where California is ranked lol. Give it a few more years and we will most likely see VA take a nose dive. Same with Illinois, even though they are already somewhat low.

Spock Senior Member

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Wed, Feb 6, 2019 10:28 AM

Interesting

jmog Senior Member

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Wed, Feb 6, 2019 11:05 AM

posted by like_that
Oops, I was looking at the overall growth chart and not the overall freedom chart. I take back my statement, I am not surprised at all where California is ranked lol. Give it a few more years and we will most likely see VA take a nose dive. Same with Illinois, even though they are already somewhat low.

So, top 10...

2 blue states (NH, CO)

4 purple states

4 red states

Bottom 10...

all 10 blue states...

Hmm...wonder if there is a correlation or causation?

QuakerOats Senior Member

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Wed, Feb 6, 2019 12:18 PM

The six states most aligned with socialist/Marxist policy are in the negative on the freedom scale. Imagine that.

justincredible Honorable Admin

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Wed, Feb 6, 2019 12:48 PM

Given our future plans to jump across the river to Kentucky, I wish they were a little higher on the list. Seeing it with an overall negative score is kind of a bummer. I'm honestly really surprised by Indiana's score.

If it weren't for my job I'd likely pick up and move to a state like Tennessee. Ideally I'd choose Montana, but my wife hates cold weather so that's a no-go.

ptown_trojans_1 Moderator

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Wed, Feb 6, 2019 1:06 PM

Hey, at leasrt Maryland has an R Governor, Hogan, who is trying to pull some of these things back.

like_that 1st Team All-PWN

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Wed, Feb 6, 2019 1:35 PM

posted by justincredible
Given our future plans to jump across the river to Kentucky, I wish they were a little higher on the list. Seeing it with an overall negative score is kind of a bummer. I'm honestly really surprised by Indiana's score.

If it weren't for my job I'd likely pick up and move to a state like Tennessee. Ideally I'd choose Montana, but my wife hates cold weather so that's a no-go.

Tennessee having no income tax and slowly removing their hall tax makes the state very appealing. I've read it's supposed to be completely gone by 2022 and their are reducing the tax by 1 % every year up until 2022. My guess is they will move up the freedom rankings once it is completely gone.

justincredible Honorable Admin

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Wed, Feb 6, 2019 1:54 PM

What's a hall tax?

like_that 1st Team All-PWN

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Wed, Feb 6, 2019 1:55 PM

posted by justincredible
What's a hall tax?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_income_tax

justincredible Honorable Admin

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Wed, Feb 6, 2019 1:58 PM

Interesting. I had no idea that existed, glad to see they are rolling it back to zero.

GOONx19 An exceptional poster.

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Fri, Feb 8, 2019 7:21 AM

I always enjoy the New Hampshire state motto, which is on their license plates: "LIVE FREE OR DIE".

Spock Senior Member

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Fri, Feb 8, 2019 9:29 AM

Wondered what the "freedom" level was of our founding state....the 13 colonies. You would think that the founding members would be the freeist. Hence why we are even here:

NH- 2

Mass-23

RI- 42

Conn. 33

NY 50

NJ- 47

Penn- 20

Del- 43

Mary- 45

NC- 18

SC- 29

Virg- 13

Georgia- 12

fish82 Senior Member

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Mon, Feb 11, 2019 7:43 AM

Biggest surprise for me here is probably Wyoming.

justincredible Honorable Admin

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Mon, Feb 11, 2019 8:15 AM

posted by fish82
Biggest surprise for me here is probably Wyoming.

Yeah, I would've put it in the top 15 if I were to guess the order blindly.

like_that 1st Team All-PWN

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Mon, Feb 11, 2019 8:56 AM

New Mexico for me. I was always under the impression they were a "do whatever the fuck you want" state.

gut Senior Member

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Mon, Feb 11, 2019 11:57 AM

In related news, a ranking from The Economist (I think) said the US had among the highest declines in its Democracy ratings. Before the anti-Trump people get excited, it was pointed out the decline began YEARS before Trump (which shouldn't surprise anyone here).

The media loves to blame Trump, but it's actually the ultra partisan media that's at the heart of a lot of this polarizing crap taking place.

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