Guns and Mass Shootings

posted by ernest_t_bass

Didn't Ohio disallow this?

im pretty sure they have guns, because when i went to a basketball game last year they had signs up saying the teachers were armed, but idk if they changed it since then

https://www.daily-jeff.com/story/news/2018/09/30/rolling-hills-board-education-approves/9744989007/

I am sick and fucking tired of all these age restriction laws

Draw a fucking line

If it’s 21, you must be 21 to vote, marry, sign contracts, and join the military

If it’s 18 you need to be able to purchase alcohol, medical cannabis, and assault rifles

And don’t you dare charge a 15 year old as an adult for a crime.

I personally think it should be 18. We as a society do a poor job educating our youth for the real world. You should be able to understand enough to do taxes, do contracts, balance a checkbook fire a gun if you want to and do a simple living budget. These are not  just a teachers job. It is every body’s job.

Unfortunately, freedom is never free and people want the gubmit to take care of all their problems and send the the bill to somebody else

posted by ptown_trojans_1

That makes sense for schools. I'd agree with those as long as any CCW person is properly trained on a safety course. Some states are doing away with that requirement.

How about for churches and soft targets like grocery stores like in Buffafo? 

Take away the “no gun” zones. Notice nearly all places like this have no guns allowed posted outside. 

I hate this stuff. There are no definite answers while many things could or can help….nothing will ever eliminate psycho people from doing these type of things.

Schools will now spend insane $$$ and teachers will be required all the training that we’ve been doing for a decade+.

I would like stricter gun laws. I think it’s crazy anyone needs those type of guns. Nearly every male in the area of my school owns a gun, mostly several….I doubt any of them have an AR rifle like they always use in these mass murders.

Our doors have been locked for 10 years, bullet proof everything for non employees to enter before entering the actual building. Used to have 6 carriers, now we have none but assume that will return. I honestly feel it’s about 100x more likely one of those 6 accidentally shoots the gun opposed to someone entering and shooting purposely. If every staff member carried a gun a crazy person could still easily wipe out a dozen+ students after school on way to the buses or even easier at recess. Maybe we could stop them at 12 victims opposed to 20 but both are beyond horrific.

My genie wish to end this? Every toddler and young child with a dad that’s not a POS….or hell two moms will work just fine too! None of these psychos have good parents.

There also aren’t anywhere near enough counselors. 10 years ago I don’t think 10 kids in my school of 400 needed a counselor. That number pushes 50-60 now.

posted by jmog

Take away the “no gun” zones. Notice nearly all places like this have no guns allowed posted outside. 

Ok, so you believe in the good guy with a gun rational? 

Any thoughts on assisting with mental health or restricting any firearms? 

Seems like you are advocating more reactive measures, and not too many proactive or preventative measures. 

Yeah man, kids are different these days. I was briefly dating a public school psych from around Parker, CO.

The stories she would tell blew my mind, most of them heartbreaking. 

My main issue is people not willing to try anything. Like, what we are doing/what is in place is clearly not working. 

As a country, we make changes to laws all the time. We interpret the Constitution/BOR different all the time and have Supreme Court Justices change how stuff is interpreted all the time. It's beyond time to try something, anything to curb the use of these guns in mass shootings. I have no clue if it will work, but I frankly don't care if it borders on infringing on 2A. We have passed so many laws that impact so many other rights and we all go on living unaffected and no one seems to care. 

Many of the suggestions on here are good.  What I cannot understand is why this happens here so often and rarely if never in other developed countries.  I don't believe most of those places have armed guards and armed teachers.  Do we have way more psychopaths?  If so, why is that?  

I personally do not understand the love of guns here, but I accept that this is a deeply held value in our culture and not likely to change.  It is an obvious difference between the US and most everywhere else.  I would love for every gun except single shot shotguns to be outlawed, but I know that will likely never happen.  So in the meantime, I have to ask what else is different that make this problem so much more prevalent in the US.  For that, I have no answers.

posted by ernest_t_bass

Justin - do you have any proposed solutions yourself?  We're going to get people from all over the spectrum, and I'm curious how someone with your stances proposes a solution to a more than obvious problem.

It all stems from societal rot, IMO. This isn't fixed with more government, more laws, etc. You can legislate until you're blue in the face but it isn't going to fix the root of the problem. It's only going to get worse going forward as far as I'm concerned.

Also, a reminder that the Va Tech massacre was committed with 9mm and .22 handguns. Much easier to conceal pea shooters like that, too.

posted by geeblock

im pretty sure they have guns, because when i went to a basketball game last year they had signs up saying the teachers were armed, but idk if they changed it since then

It's recent legislation, to my understanding. 

Justin is right its the acceleration of societal rot.  My elementary thru high school years mostly during the 70's and 80's.  No ban on semi auto scarry looking weapons.  No locked doors.  No metal detectors.  No ID badges.  Nearly everyone had access to guns.  The only thing anyone was worried about getting shot with was a spit wad.  The only guns smuggled into school were squirt guns usually on the last day because well no chance of after school detention.

Holy crap, just reading about the Uvalde police lack of response to the active shooter.  Mind boggling.  Had the border agents not shown up, who knows how many more would have died.

posted by majorspark

Justin is right its the acceleration of societal rot.  My elementary thru high school years mostly during the 70's and 80's.  No ban on semi auto scarry looking weapons.  No locked doors.  No metal detectors.  No ID badges.  Nearly everyone had access to guns.  The only thing anyone was worried about getting shot with was a spit wad.  The only guns smuggled into school were squirt guns usually on the last day because well no chance of after school detention.

I don't buy this socieatal rot.  I came of age the same time you did, so I understand what you're saying.  But in many parts of the US, crime was much higher in those years than now.  It is difficult to reconcile that with societal rot.  Also, many of the changes in society in the years since have happened in other countries as well, yet they are not dealing with these situations like we are.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Holy crap, just reading about the Uvalde police lack of response to the active shooter.  Mind boggling.  Had the border agents not shown up, who knows how many more would have died.

Yes, the cops were fucking useless. They (19 of them) stood outside of the classroom for 45 minutes, knowing there were kids still alive. Fire them all.

posted by Ironman92

I hate this stuff. There are no definite answers while many things could or can help….nothing will ever eliminate psycho people from doing these type of things.

I would like stricter gun laws. I think it’s crazy anyone needs those type of guns. Nearly every male in the area of my school owns a gun, mostly several….I doubt any of them have an AR rifle like they always use in these mass murders.

So how do you know what type of gun I or anyone else for that matter “needs”?

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Ok, so you believe in the good guy with a gun rational? 

Any thoughts on assisting with mental health or restricting any firearms? 

Seems like you are advocating more reactive measures, and not too many proactive or preventative measures. 

Absolutely mental health needs addressed, and earlier in life than it did 30 years ago. 

But there is no reason to restrict someone else’s right to own a gun because a psycho bought one and killed people. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I don't buy this socieatal rot.  I came of age the same time you did, so I understand what you're saying.  But in many parts of the US, crime was much higher in those years than now.  It is difficult to reconcile that with societal rot.  Also, many of the changes in society in the years since have happened in other countries as well, yet they are not dealing with these situations like we are.  

Why does societal rot have to be monolithic?  Can societies degenerate and others regenerate?  Where I live I don't always lock the doors when I run to the grocery store.  No one freaks out when they see a teenage Amish boy on his bike riding down the road with rifle slung over his back.  I hear far more gunshots from my front porch on the weekends in the lowlands below than anyone in south Chicago.

As you can see things are quite different around the country.  So what laws are you proposing the feds foist upon all 330 million of us to make us like those other countries?

posted by majorspark

Justin is right its the acceleration of societal rot.  My elementary thru high school years mostly during the 70's and 80's.  No ban on semi auto scarry looking weapons.  No locked doors.  No metal detectors.  No ID badges.  Nearly everyone had access to guns.

And even then, a lot of inner city schools in the 80's and 90's went through iterative processes to keep guns and knives out.  But you still didn't have mass shooters.

It's a society/cultural issue.  Mental healthcare sounds well and good, except people have to seek it out and want help.  So people want mandatory counseling for all these kids...Not an exact science, and so you are going to flag 1000 kids for every one that does this?  That doesn't sound like a practical or good solution.