Guns and Mass Shootings

Justin - do you have any proposed solutions yourself?  We're going to get people from all over the spectrum, and I'm curious how someone with your stances proposes a solution to a more than obvious problem.

posted by queencitybuckeye

If we do that, I think people could still join the military at 18, but they can only be used for stateside jobs until they're 21.

I would be fine with an exception for those who enlist

posted by queencitybuckeye

I remember a bank robbery where fully automatic weapons were used (Los Angeles?), but am not aware of any mass shootings with them.

Yeah, I am not sure. But they shouldn't be legal, so lets make them illegal. 

posted by ernest_t_bass

I see cost (to schools) as an issue.

Some school systems have programs where faculty and staff can voluntarily take significant amounts of training and have access to locked up guns in various parts of the school. If my local school would be interested in such a program but couldn't get enough staff to participate, I would welcome taking a shift. Perhaps a little less talk about what "they" need to do as opposed to actually doing something might be a pretty good idea.

posted by Laley23

Yeah, I am not sure. But they shouldn't be legal, so lets make them illegal. 

They aren't illegal, but one has to jump through a LOT of hoops to be licensed to acquire one.

posted by geeblock

I would be fine with an exception for those who enlist

I'd prefer my way. If they can't own a gun at home without joining, the government doesn't get to send them to God-knows-where to kill and die.

posted by queencitybuckeye

I'd prefer my way. If they can't own a gun at home without joining, the government doesn't get to send them to God-knows-where to kill and die.

i'd have no problem with that.  If you cant buy a beer you shouldnt be out there dying for your country

posted by queencitybuckeye

Some school systems have programs where faculty and staff can voluntarily take significant amounts of training and have access to locked up guns in various parts of the school. If my local school would be interested in such a program but couldn't get enough staff to participate, I would welcome taking a shift. Perhaps a little less talk about what "they" need to do as opposed to actually doing something might be a pretty good idea.

the high school i graduated from has armed teachers

posted by geeblock

the high school i graduated from has armed teachers

It's probably too small a sample size to be statistically significant, but I've never heard of a shooting in a school with such a program.

posted by geeblock

I would be fine with an exception for those who enlist

So a very responsible and law-abiding person has a heart defect isn't allowed to own a weapon until they are 21, but some dumbass that has never got caught can get one after high school when they enlist? 

posted by queencitybuckeye

It's probably too small a sample size to be statistically significant, but I've never heard of a shooting in a school with such a program.

im on the fence with it..i feel like its one of those things that sounds good on paper, but its starting to seem more and more that when there is an actual person with an AR-15 people really start to think about if they want to go home to their family.

posted by Automatik

I said impossible. Break down 2A if necessary. I don’t give a fuck. We aren’t talking about muskets anymore. 

Does the 4th amendment apply to cell phones? If your answer is yes then your post is ignorant. The amendments transcend technology. 

What’s your suggestion?

posted by Laley23

1. Required 30 min mental health sessions starting in 5th grade. Every school has at least 1 professional talking to these kids weekly. If they miss 30 min of a class, they miss 30 min of a class. Bigger schools obviously need to have more than 1. Mental health and feeling worthy in life, etc are the main issues with troubled individuals. Starting them talking with professionals -- without the stigma of outside help, because the entire nation does it -- early on in life would hopefully help. Kids will still pick on someone and you will get made fun of, but venting every week would go a long way to coping with issues. It would also be a direct line to a professional seeing signs early and taking precautions. 

Distant 2. Assault Rifle and Semi Automatic weapons ban - it wont happen overnight, but eventually over time you will severely limit the amount that are in the areas where the mass shootings seem to happen. 

You realize your #2 would ban nearly every gun (like 80%) out there? Most rifles and handguns are semi-automatic now.

posted by Laley23

Sorry, I misspoke. I don't mind the semi-automatic (self loading). But I want 1 bullet per trigger pull to come out. I'd also be in favor of making the magazines smaller, require more reloads. 

What weapon are you talking about that shoots more than 1 bullet per trigger pull? Because even these “evil” AR-15s are a single bullet per trigger pull.

You can not own any weapon that has more than a single bullet per trigger pull (3 round bursts or automatic) without going through an exhaustively long (6-12 months) extensive background check and paying a ton of money (like $10,000) for the gun through the tax stamp program (same program for a suppressor/silencer).

And you have to go through that process for each and every gun you want with those capabilities.

No one is buying a gun from a dealer that shoots more than 1 bullet per trigger pull.

posted by Laley23

Yeah, I am not sure. But they shouldn't be legal, so lets make them illegal. 

Automatic weapons are, unless you go through the tax stamp process which takes months and months of background checks.

You can’t go to a store and buy an automatic weapon.

posted by Automatik

What’s your suggestion?

Protect the schools. No reason the kid got right in, no reason the cops took 40 min to go into the building knowing he was in there. We use guns to protect everything we consider important, banks, politicians, etc. why not our children?

Have silent alarms in schools like banks that when a gunman blows his way into the locked door someone would hit an alarm that alerts both the on duty officer at the school and the local police as well as any teachers who are carrying CCW.

posted by jmog

Protect the schools. No reason the kid got right in, no reason the cops took 40 min to go into the building knowing he was in there. We use guns to protect everything we consider important, banks, politicians, etc. why not our children?

Have silent alarms in schools like banks that when a gunman blows his way into the locked door someone would hit an alarm that alerts both the on duty officer at the school and the local police as well as any teachers who are carrying CCW.

That makes sense for schools. I'd agree with those as long as any CCW person is properly trained on a safety course. Some states are doing away with that requirement.

How about for churches and soft targets like grocery stores like in Buffafo? 

posted by geeblock

the high school i graduated from has armed teachers

Didn't Ohio disallow this?