posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI'm willing to take the leap that Massacre at Wounded Knee II will not be the result of enhanced gun laws. If you aren't, well that's your right.
We're now back to the question. If I buy you a history book, will you get someone to read it to you?
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie
What about the idea of licensing for firearms?
You do realize that new gun purchases are ran through a "licensing" procedure that involves a federal check?
All the school shootings in the past 20 years (if not longer) were done with "legal licensed" guns. New laws arent preventing this.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieObviously I'm aware we do. My point being that conduct in a war zone is different than domestic law.
It is. And sometimes implementing ridiculous ROE because the actions of a few gets many other soldiers killed.
Anyways you failed to grasp the original point. Perhaps my British slang joke isn't a joke after all.
posted by FletchYou do realize that new gun purchases are ran through a "licensing" procedure that involves a federal check?
All the school shootings in the past 20 years (if not longer) were done with "legal licensed" guns. New laws arent preventing this.
Sandy Hook was not done by the owner of the gun.
posted by FletchYou do realize that new gun purchases are ran through a "licensing" procedure that involves a federal check?
All the school shootings in the past 20 years (if not longer) were done with "legal licensed" guns. New laws arent preventing this.
I wasn't talking about a three minute federal check. I meant more of a process similar to gaining a driver's license where there is a probationary period while a person haas to pass some sort of exam of proficiency and it has to be renewed regularly.
posted by supermanWe're now back to the question. If I buy you a history book, will you get someone to read it to you?
I get the point you've been making for several posts. I don't think Wounded Knee is relevant to this issue we're talking about today. If you do, fine.
posted by jmogWait, so you don’t believe government massacres tend to follow governments confiscating citizens weapons?
Come on, I hope that is a joke.
I never suggested a thing about confiscation of guns. I suggested licensing as a possibility. You made the leap from that.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI never suggested a thing about confiscation of guns. I suggested licensing as a possibility. You made the leap from that.
You said multiple times in this thread that all semiautomatic weapons should be banned.
posted by supermanYou said multiple times in this thread that all semiautomatic weapons should be banned.
My own personal opinion is that I wished they weren't available. But I also acknowledge that is not a reasonable thing for a large portion of our population, so it should not be part of the discussion. It's one of those issues where I concede that a lot of people have a different stance and so I have to accept that it's part of things.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieMy own personal opinion is that I wished they weren't available. But I also acknowledge that is not a reasonable thing for a large portion of our population, so it should not be part of the discussion. It's one of those issues where I concede that a lot of people have a different stance and so I have to accept that it's part of things.
So you never suggested a thing about it except for the times you suggested it?
posted by jmogHuge flaw in your thinking…
1. Strengthening the defense of the schools does not trample anyone’s rights and has the probability of stopping a good percentage of school shooters.
2. Making a gun have a 10 day wait period will stop 1 out of a 100 as the other 99 were planned for weeks/months. And this idea does trample law abiding citizens 2A rights.
You don’t create a law that will reduce someone’s rights that will have a negligible effect just to say you had to do something.
Show me data that most of these are people who buy their gun and immediately go on a rampage and I would 100% agree that a wait period will help.
Don’t just say “well we have to do something”. Back your idea with actual data.
The data says most of these shootings are preplanned and not same day madmen. Prove me wrong.
I don’t think any one anywhere is saying they are same day madmen. But if it stops 1 in 100 I’m fine with that. The hospital shooter the other day did purchase his weapon the same day so it does happen.
As for protecting schools it’s a huge flaw in your thinking that it can be done successfully. But I support all ideas to do so
posted by supermanSo you never suggested a thing about it except for the times you suggested it?
I said I know it isn't an option, so there's not point in putting it forth.
posted by queencitybuckeyeSandy Hook was not done by the owner of the gun.
I am sure that every person shot in Chicago was done by someone who didnt "own" the gun.
Lets just throw the actual gun owner in jail when this happens. You have a legally purchased gun and it is used in a crime, you get all the punishment
posted by FletchI am sure that every person shot in Chicago was done by someone who didnt "own" the gun.
Lets just throw the actual gun owner in jail when this happens. You have a legally purchased gun and it is used in a crime, you get all the punishment
Just pointing out that your prior post was wrong. OTOH, it only had two language errors that I noticed, so nice job!
posted by geeblockWhat is your source on this? You keep saying it can't be done but you don't have any supporting evidence. In fact, the evidence says the opposite. These shootings don't happen at inner city schools with bars on the windows and metal detectors.
As for protecting schools it’s a huge flaw in your thinking that it can be done successfully.
posted by superman
What is your source on this? You keep saying it can't be done but you don't have any supporting evidence. In fact, the evidence says the opposite. These shootings don't happen at inner city schools with bars on the windows and metal detectors.
Ive worked 27 years in the inner city. Most don’t have bars or metal detectors. (Zero bars or detectors in my district). We also average about one gun per week inside the building. (That we find)We have 55,000 students. The bars and metal detectors aren’t the reason it doesn’t happen in inner city schools imo. There are just too many buildings and too much movement to possibly hire enough people is why I say that. It may work in smaller environments. Our district Probly ranks somewhere in the 90’s in enrollment, there are much larger. But as I’ve stated several times I would support all efforts to increase security, I just don’t think it should be the only thing that gets done.
posted by geeblockIve worked 27 years in the inner city. Most don’t have bars or metal detectors. (Zero bars or detectors in my district). We also average about one gun per week inside the building. (That we find)We have 55,000 students. The bars and metal detectors aren’t the reason it doesn’t happen in inner city schools imo. There are just too many buildings and too much movement to possibly hire enough people is why I say that. It may work in smaller environments. Our district Probly ranks somewhere in the 90’s in enrollment, there are much larger. But as I’ve stated several times I would support all efforts to increase security, I just don’t think it should be the only thing that gets done.
Reread what I said. I said that these shootings don't happen at schools with bars on the windows and metal detectors. Sounds like your school should invest in a metal detector.
posted by geeblockI appreciate this comment. There simply is not a single solution, and certainly no effective ones that don't involve increased security at the place these events happen. It's absurd to even pretend otherwise.But as I’ve stated several times I would support all efforts to increase security, I just don’t think it should be the only thing that gets done.
posted by supermanReread what I said. I said that these shootings don't happen at schools with bars on the windows and metal detectors. Sounds like your school should invest in a metal detector.
I read what you said and replied that I don’t think that is the reason shootings don’t happen there
As jmog said 50 times these things are planned months in advance. There is no way you could provide enough protection for th amount of students involved. Too many holes. I do agree it could stop a shooting from being a large number like 100.
