Government Shutdown

like_that 1st Team All-PWN

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 10:43 AM

This should be it's own thread, especially since Justin wants more specific topic threads.

When do you all see this ending? I give it two more weeks. Also, has anyone see the El Chapo bill, that Cruz is promoting? It's actually not that bad of an idea lol.

CenterBHSFan 333 - I'm only half evil

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 10:51 AM

posted by like_that
Also, has anyone see the El Chapo bill, that Cruz is promoting? It's actually not that bad of an idea lol.

No, what's the jist of it?

like_that 1st Team All-PWN

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 10:55 AM

posted by CenterBHSFan
No, what's the jist of it?

Basically to seize his money as a result of his criminal trial and use that money to pay for the wall lol. It's estimated around $14B.

wkfan Senior Member

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 11:01 AM

and bury him underneath it?

like_that 1st Team All-PWN

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 11:07 AM

BTW, before otrap chimes in with a 5 paragraph response, I just want to summarize his point.

El Chapo wouldn't be worth $14B if all drugs were legal.

Spock Senior Member

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 11:20 AM

good idea.

as for the shutdown......Trump DGAF......it will remain shutdown until the radical left gets some heat from the media and the voters

geeblock Member

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 11:36 AM

It seems like every day more things that are actually important or bad pub are getting funded so I would guess it will turn into a fake shutdown that will go for a long time

like_that 1st Team All-PWN

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 11:38 AM

posted by geeblock
It seems like every day more things that are actually important or bad pub are getting funded so I would guess it will turn into a fake shutdown that will go for a long time

Such as?

Dr Winston O'Boogie Senior Member

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 11:53 AM

posted by like_that
Basically to seize his money as a result of his criminal trial and use that money to pay for the wall lol. It's estimated around $14B.

I wouldn't want to be associated with touching old El Chapo's money. That's a dangerous game.

like_that 1st Team All-PWN

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 12:03 PM

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie
I wouldn't want to be associated with touching old El Chapo's money. That's a dangerous game.

As an individual I would agree with you, but as a country why not? The US has already been dealing with El Chapo for years. It can't all of a sudden get worse than it is. The money isn't going back to him or any of his drug lords regardless.

geeblock Member

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 12:12 PM

posted by like_that
Such as?

the IRS, food Stamps, im guessing TSA will be funded soon as well as college student loan funding etc

kizer permanente Senior Member

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 12:19 PM

posted by like_that
Basically to seize his money as a result of his criminal trial and use that money to pay for the wall lol. It's estimated around $14B.

I cant imagine actually getting a hold of the money would realistically even be possible though?

Dr Winston O'Boogie Senior Member

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 2:10 PM

posted by kizer permanente
I cant imagine actually getting a hold of the money would realistically even be possible though?

Your points are all valid. I still wouldn't be one of the ones involved in lawyering or administering it. I like to travel internationally and I would be paranoid forever after,.

Them drug lords is bad stuff.

like_that 1st Team All-PWN

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 2:17 PM

posted by geeblock
the IRS, food Stamps, im guessing TSA will be funded soon as well as college student loan funding etc

Do you have a link where the IRS is funded? I must have missed this and I can't find anything other than they are working for free, just like TSA and other agencies (like the coast guard) forcing "essential" employees to work for free.

like_that 1st Team All-PWN

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 2:19 PM

posted by kizer permanente
I cant imagine actually getting a hold of the money would realistically even be possible though?

I read it as the money has already been seized, but I could be wrong.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie
Your points are all valid. I still wouldn't be one of the ones involved in lawyering or administering it. I like to travel internationally and I would be paranoid forever after,.

Them drug lords is bad stuff.

I travel internationally too, and I don't see how seizing El Chapo's money will make my flight any less safe than my flights currently are.

Dr Winston O'Boogie Senior Member

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 2:37 PM

posted by like_that
I read it as the money has already been seized, but I could be wrong.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie
Your points are all valid. I still wouldn't be one of the ones involved in lawyering or administering it. I like to travel internationally and I would be paranoid forever after,.

Them drug lords is bad stuff.

I travel internationally too, and I don't see how seizing El Chapo's money will make my flight any less safe than my flights currently are.

It's not the flying I'd be worried about. It'd be someone finding me once I'm at my destination. My fears are irrational, I know. I'm just saying I won't be messin' with Mr. Chapo's moolah ever. If someone else wants to, that is their prerogative.

like_that 1st Team All-PWN

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 2:50 PM

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie
It's not the flying I'd be worried about. It'd be someone finding me once I'm at my destination. My fears are irrational, I know. I'm just saying I won't be messin' with Mr. Chapo's moolah ever. If someone else wants to, that is their prerogative.

Very irrational, I agree.

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 3:18 PM

posted by like_that
BTW, before otrap chimes in with a 5 paragraph response, I just want to summarize his point.

El Chapo wouldn't be worth $14B if all drugs were legal.

Wouldn't have said that at all. In fact, I don't even feel confident enough in that answer to say I believe it.

He just would've been in a different market. ;)

geeblock Member

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 3:19 PM

posted by like_that
Do you have a link where the IRS is funded? I must have missed this and I can't find anything other than they are working for free, just like TSA and other agencies (like the coast guard) forcing "essential" employees to work for free.

Wow I guess what I saw was California paying them unemployment.. I can’t imagine my boss telling me to come in for free

ptown_trojans_1 Moderator

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 3:32 PM

posted by like_that
Do you have a link where the IRS is funded? I must have missed this and I can't find anything other than they are working for free, just like TSA and other agencies (like the coast guard) forcing "essential" employees to work for free.

Yeah, that is the current situation. Outside the State Department, which found some magical funds recently, most of the civilian agencies are working for free. They will get the back pay, but they are working for free right now.

The contractors are getting screwed as they most likely will not get back pay.

I kind of agree as I see it going two weeks, but it is going to take something massive or a shock to get people to find a solution. Trump had an escape route, with the national emergency, but chose, probably rightly, not to take it.

No one has any reason to blink right now. Both sides see they are winning and both bases are cheering them on to hold out until the other folds. I think also the fact the DOD is fully funded and at work makes this shutdown seem less bad as we are not withholding money for the troops. So, short of using TSA agents stories, more and more stories about unemployment, or large walkouts by agents, I doubt something will move the public long enough to move the needle to force a solution.

Trump also has little reason to give in. He is fighting for his main issue, sees himself as the foil for the liberal Ds in the House.

He is also essentially stealing the limelight and actual productivity of the new D House. Instead of the House fully focusing on the issues they were elected on, like healthcare and investigating Trump, they are having to just simply work on funding the government. It is a good hard nosed realist strategy.

CenterBHSFan 333 - I'm only half evil

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Fri, Jan 18, 2019 3:39 PM

posted by ptown_trojans_1
He is also essentially stealing the limelight and actual productivity of the new D House. Instead of the House fully focusing on the issues they were elected on, like healthcare and investigating Trump, they are having to just simply work on funding the government. It is a good hard nosed realist strategy.

It never even occurred to me to think of it in these terms. I'm skeptical, though, on how it's a good strategy. I would think voters who voted in democrats in the House for specific reasons wouldn't like their politician being stymied by Trump's shenanigans.

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