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Explicit Conspiracy/Espionage by Trump v. Sanders/Ocasio-Cortez

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BoatShoes Senior Member
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Sat, Jul 28, 2018 8:25 AM

If you faced these two choices, which is preferable:

We learn Trump is a compromised asset of the Russian state dating back to his days laundering money for the Russian Mob & that Putin has Tapes of Trump, Dershowitz, NJ Senator Menendez & Bill Clinton all banging girls under 18...

But we find this out after we get the Tax Cut and Jobs Act passed, Gorsuch & Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, an appropriation for the Wall to be built after the midterms & North Korea turning over nukes...

It remains to be seen what happens to NATO, Russian sanction relief against U.S. interests, etc.

OR 

A Bernie Sanders/Ocasio-Cortez president and vice presidency that is able to enact their agenda & Bernie is just a crazy man and not a Russian asset. 

 

 

queencitybuckeye Senior Member
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Sat, Jul 28, 2018 8:31 AM

Since the latter turns us into Venezuela and Cuba and takes the rest of the "free" world down with it, I'll take door #1.
like_that 1st Team All-PWN
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Sat, Jul 28, 2018 11:58 AM

The first option reminds me of Dave Chappelle's netflix sketch about Bill Cosby.  He rapes, but he saves....

You would have to watch it to give that joke justice.   Anyway, I would easily take door #1 over a socialist regime.  I'd take Hillary/Obama/Gore/Biden/Pelosi/Reid/Schumer/Warren/etc over the bernie/ocasio option.

 

 
justincredible Honorable Admin
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Sat, Jul 28, 2018 1:10 PM

Trump option, all day. 
iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Sat, Jul 28, 2018 6:50 PM

Trump, regardless of Wall or Nukes
jmog Senior Member
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Sat, Jul 28, 2018 9:06 PM

Trump option then impeach him for being a crook and we would have Pence. 

 

Befter than being Venezuela. 
FatHobbit Senior Member
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Sun, Jul 29, 2018 12:40 AM

I guess in that case I go with option #1
Belly35 Elderly Intellectual
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Mon, Jul 30, 2018 8:14 AM

#1  now and in 2010
BoatShoes Senior Member
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Mon, Jul 30, 2018 2:40 PM

The nuke assumption probably made it too easy as I'm not sure that will actually happen and that would be unquestionably great for humanity. 

Funny. If the situation were reversed and we had a Dem President who was a comprised asset vs. say, a Ron Paul presidency - I believe that United States People would be strong enough to with stand the damage I think would happen if we went back to a gold standard, etc.

I think the fear that the United States would become Venezuela is a little dramatic. Reminder, there was an "Economic Collapse is Inevitable" thread after Obama won in 2012 and here we are #MAGA. 
iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Mon, Jul 30, 2018 2:53 PM
posted by BoatShoes

I think the fear that the United States would become Venezuela is a little dramatic. 

I don't think the US would be anything like Venezuela. But they actively spout ideas that would raise our taxes enormously. No thanks.

Also, how do you have an economics degree and advocate socialism?  I was wrong to get worked up when Ocasio-Cortez was elected, she is borderline retarded in any interview she has given since.
gut Senior Member
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Mon, Jul 30, 2018 5:21 PM
posted by iclfan2

 I was wrong to get worked up when Ocasio-Cortez was elected, she is borderline retarded in any interview she has given since.

Hearing her talk reminds me of a girl in grad school that had an econ degree from an Ivy League school.....she FAILED micro!   
fish82 Senior Member
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Tue, Jul 31, 2018 8:28 AM
posted by BoatShoes

I think the fear that the United States would become Venezuela is a little dramatic.

Agreed. That said, so is the idea that Trump is a "compromised Russian asset."
Dr Winston O'Boogie Senior Member
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Tue, Jul 31, 2018 9:30 AM

This would be a very bad choice.  Maybe I'd end up like one of those celebs who promises they will move away if such and such happens.  I think I would probably go with Bernie.  I'm not a fan of his and the Queens lady at all.  However I also don't believe them coming into office would equal "Venezuela".  Having a president beholden to Russia could be a disaster on a big scale.  
like_that 1st Team All-PWN
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Tue, Jul 31, 2018 10:29 AM

For those who believe the US could never become (insert) country, do you have a reason?   The only reason I can think of is because of the 2A. 
Dr Winston O'Boogie Senior Member
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Tue, Jul 31, 2018 11:03 AM
posted by like_that

For those who believe the US could never become (insert) country, do you have a reason?   The only reason I can think of is because of the 2A. 

In my case, I don't say it could "never" become something.  But for this example, were Bernie elected to office tomorrow, I don't believe that would me our country would turn into Venezuela.  There are too many institutions and foundations of American society (public and private) that a president cannot undue.  He could cause changes for sure.  But our system of checks and balances does not allow carte blanche influence to the president.  Presidents are in a powerful position, no doubt about it.  But they are also limited.  

 

It is like the discussion of the economy.  Presidents can have influence on the economy in good or bad ways.  But they are not the drivers of it.  
queencitybuckeye Senior Member
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Tue, Jul 31, 2018 11:05 AM
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

It is like the discussion of the economy.  Presidents can have influence on the economy in good or bad ways.  But they are not the drivers of it.  

Correct, but the hypothetical posed stated "able to enact their agenda".
jmog Senior Member
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Tue, Jul 31, 2018 11:06 AM
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

In my case, I don't say it could "never" become something.  But for this example, were Bernie elected to office tomorrow, I don't believe that would me our country would turn into Venezuela.  There are too many institutions and foundations of American society (public and private) that a president cannot undue.  He could cause changes for sure.  But our system of checks and balances does not allow carte blanche influence to the president.  Presidents are in a powerful position, no doubt about it.  But they are also limited.  

 

It is like the discussion of the economy.  Presidents can have influence on the economy in good or bad ways.  But they are not the drivers of it.  

Agreed, if Sanders was elected you are right, but if the country elected enough of these socialist guised as democrats in Congress then it probably is a viable argument (Venezuela) because they would then control 2/3 of the government with just a few years away from controlling the last 1/3 (SCOTUS).
BoatShoes Senior Member
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Tue, Jul 31, 2018 1:00 PM
posted by fish82

Agreed. That said, so is the idea that Trump is a "compromised Russian asset."

I agree - the point however is that the posters who replied preferred that extreme scenario over Bernie/Alexandria. 
BoatShoes Senior Member
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Tue, Jul 31, 2018 1:02 PM
posted by queencitybuckeye

Correct, but the hypothetical posed stated "able to enact their agenda".

Again - seems like an exaggeration - like Liberals claiming Trump is/will turn ICE into a new Gestapo. 
BoatShoes Senior Member
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Tue, Jul 31, 2018 1:08 PM
posted by iclfan2

I don't think the US would be anything like Venezuela. But they actively spout ideas that would raise our taxes enormously. No thanks.

Also, how do you have an economics degree and advocate socialism?  I was wrong to get worked up when Ocasio-Cortez was elected, she is borderline retarded in any interview she has given since.

I don't think "Socialist" really has any objective meaning anymore - same goes for "Fascist", "Conservative" and whatever else. I thought Conservatism was for free trade but Trump has support from 90% of the party that is supposed to be "Conservative". If you ask Bernie Sanders or Cortez to tell you what socialism is they'll tell you something about putting the power in the people's hands and not the 1% or whatever. Does Medicare for All make us socialist while Medicare/Medicaid for most (Our Current system before and after Obamacare really) make us not? Why does Medicare for All make us collapse like Venezuala but Medicare for Most doesn't???

 
queencitybuckeye Senior Member
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Tue, Jul 31, 2018 1:22 PM
posted by BoatShoes

I don't think "Socialist" really has any objective meaning anymore - same goes for "Fascist", "Conservative" and whatever else. I thought Conservatism was for free trade but Trump has support from 90% of the party that is supposed to be "Conservative". If you ask Bernie Sanders or Cortez to tell you what socialism is they'll tell you something about putting the power in the people's hands and not the 1% or whatever. Does Medicare for All make us socialist while Medicare/Medicaid for most (Our Current system before and after Obamacare really) make us not? Why does Medicare for All make us collapse like Venezuala but Medicare for Most doesn't???

 

Medicare for All costs more than the total wealth of the 1%. Yes it would cause an economic collapse that would make Venezuela and Cuba combined hold our beer.

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