posted by QuakerOats
We have 11 million job openings here; bring a million or two over for humanitarian reasons and give them jobs.
Lol. Did you make the same argument for people in Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, or Central America?
Why now all of a sudden?
Because over the last year we continued to pay people NOT to work and most of them became addicted to it. Hence, we now have to find millions of workers and I'll take hard-working Ukrainians who want to contribute.
posted by QuakerOatsBecause over the last year we continued to pay people NOT to work and most of them became addicted to it. Hence, we now have to find millions of workers and I'll take hard-working Ukrainians who want to contribute.
You know there are a number of people on the southern border who also would love to come in and work too. They are also escaping violence.
I just find your sudden acceptance of inviting people over to work odd and slightly funny as it contradicts every position you have taken on here.
posted by ptown_trojans_1You know there are a number of people on the southern border who also would love to come in and work too. They are also escaping violence.
I just find your sudden acceptance of inviting people over to work odd and slightly funny as it contradicts every position you have taken on here.
There is a huge difference in taking what is likely people that will come over here and be productive, assimilate to society then people purposely breaking our federal laws a jumping the border illegally
posted by FletchThere is a huge difference in taking what is likely people that will come over here and be productive, assimilate to society then people purposely breaking our federal laws a jumping the border illegally
Do you see the problem and assumptions in that line of thinking?
posted by ptown_trojans_1Come on, it's awfully white of him.You know there are a number of people on the southern border who also would love to come in and work too. They are also escaping violence.
I just find your sudden acceptance of inviting people over to work odd and slightly funny as it contradicts every position you have taken on here.
posted by FletchThere is a huge difference in taking what is likely people that will come over here and be productive, assimilate to society then people purposely breaking our federal laws a jumping the border illegally
sounds about white
posted by FletchThere is a huge difference in taking what is likely people that will come over here and be productive, assimilate to society then people purposely breaking our federal laws a jumping the border illegally
The hundreds of Mexicans working 6 days a week for 12 hours a day building homes in the four developments around my house would beg to differ.
posted by ptown_trojans_1You know there are a number of people on the southern border who also would love to come in and work too. They are also escaping violence.
I just find your sudden acceptance of inviting people over to work odd and slightly funny as it contradicts every position you have taken on here.
We've always brought in people, legally.
posted by QuakerOats
We've always brought in people, legally.
Ok, fine, why can't we bring those people in legally then?
posted by FletchThere is a huge difference in taking what is likely people that will come over here and be productive, assimilate to society then people purposely breaking our federal laws a jumping the border illegally
Everybody tired of losing yet?
posted by QuakerOatsEverybody tired of losing yet?
Nope, just tired of reading the same line of shit from you for 15 years straight now.
To be fair, when you come here, specifically illegally, you are almost twice as likely to be on welfare than if you are a citizen.
About 35% of citizens use some form of welfare program while 63% of non-citizens do. I don't believe those here on H1 work visas are taking that percentage up so it has to be those coming here by other means.
The "old" way of immigration for not only the US but Canada also (friend of mine who immigrated from Russia after the fall of the USSR to Canada spelled this out for me) was that you had to prove you could provide for yourself and you would be ineligible for ANY social welfare programs for 12 months after you arrived in Canada.
If that was still the case, accept all/most workers that want to come here and provide for themselves yet deter those coming here for the safety net.
So no welfare, no food stamps, no Section 8 housing, etc for 12 months after you arrive and you have to prove before you arrive that you have the ability to provide for yourself.
My friend immigrated in the 80s when communism fell and that's how it was then, even for "liberal" Canada, why can't we have something similar. Literally accept most everyone that can prove they have a skill and can provide for themselves with the understanding they can not rely on welfare for a year.
posted by QuakerOatsEverybody tired of losing yet?
If you don’t tie your entire self-worth and worldview into who happens to be occupying the Oval Office that very second, you wouldn’t see it that way. I know you see every occurrence in the world is directly caused or affected by the POTUS (unless “bad” happens when Trump there and “good” happens when a democrat is there).
posted by jmogTo be fair, when you come here, specifically illegally, you are almost twice as likely to be on welfare than if you are a citizen.
About 35% of citizens use some form of welfare program while 63% of non-citizens do. I don't believe those here on H1 work visas are taking that percentage up so it has to be those coming here by other means.
The "old" way of immigration for not only the US but Canada also (friend of mine who immigrated from Russia after the fall of the USSR to Canada spelled this out for me) was that you had to prove you could provide for yourself and you would be ineligible for ANY social welfare programs for 12 months after you arrived in Canada.
If that was still the case, accept all/most workers that want to come here and provide for themselves yet deter those coming here for the safety net.
So no welfare, no food stamps, no Section 8 housing, etc for 12 months after you arrive and you have to prove before you arrive that you have the ability to provide for yourself.
My friend immigrated in the 80s when communism fell and that's how it was then, even for "liberal" Canada, why can't we have something similar. Literally accept most everyone that can prove they have a skill and can provide for themselves with the understanding they can not rely on welfare for a year.
Oh you mean a pathway to citizenship? Why can't we? Simple. Republicans in the Senate.
Any sniff of any changing to immigration status to people here is called amnesty. Ted Cruz and others will cry and block anything.
They have been doing it since the Bush years when his immigration reform died in the Senate.
I'm actually with you on the requirements and you know who else is..Biden.
Increase domestic oil production. By any means possible. I can handle $5+ gas, a lot of people can’t or will hurt them significantly. The Russia stoppage obv will hurt even more. But don’t let Biden try and say he did nothing to gas prices when his first few days as president he signed all sorts of climate change trash.
Also lol at the immigration talk. I’m good with not letting them all in thanks. The Ukrainian people don’t want your shit jobs, and don’t wanna be American either.
posted by iclfan2Increase domestic oil production. By any means possible. I can handle $5+ gas, a lot of people can’t or will hurt them significantly. The Russia stoppage obv will hurt even more. But don’t let Biden try and say he did nothing to gas prices when his first few days as president he signed all sorts of climate change trash.
Also lol at the immigration talk. I’m good with not letting them all in thanks. The Ukrainian people don’t want your shit jobs, and don’t wanna be American either.
Short of nationalizing the oil and gas sector, I'm not sure how you can isolate oil and gas here that is not influenced by the global supply price and international trading.
I know some on here work in the overall sector, and wonder their thoughts.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Oh you mean a pathway to citizenship? Why can't we? Simple. Republicans in the Senate.
Any sniff of any changing to immigration status to people here is called amnesty. Ted Cruz and others will cry and block anything.
They have been doing it since the Bush years when his immigration reform died in the Senate.
I'm actually with you on the requirements and you know who else is..Biden.
Nothing you just said is true. Good lord did you even read it?
posted by jmogNothing you just said is true. Good lord did you even read it?
I did. Any changes to the current immigration laws are not going to get any support from the Republicans in the Senate.
So, the changes you suggested are not going to happen any time soon.
You really don't remember all the immigration debates the last 15 years?
