Disgusted with the Biden administration

posted by jmog

Yup, that’s one of my favorite “it would all be our supervisors/principal’s opinion!”

That and the "my job is so stressful!".  No, you have no idea.  If you can't handle kids, you're in the wrong profession.  In teaching, you literally can't experience an 80-hr week where you barely have time to eat, constant pressure/deadlines and fear of being fired any minute....and to top it all off you even dream (nightmares) about work because that is your life currently.

And the whole "I'm special and most people can't do this".  No, the skill and talent required are actually pretty common.  Most people who have a college degree - and probably many who don't - are capable of teaching.  And I'm sure you'd find a similar range of competency in that group.  That's true of most jobs, and certainly teachers could do most jobs.  But you don't hear many accountants talking about how irreplaceable they are and how important they are to society.

posted by gut

And the whole "I'm special and most people can't do this".  No, the skill and talent required are actually pretty common.  Most people who have a college degree - and probably many who don't - are capable of teaching.  And I'm sure you'd find a similar range of competency in that group.  That's true of most jobs, and certainly teachers could do most jobs.  But you don't hear many accountants talking about how irreplaceable they are and how important they are to society.

Other than certain specialized secondary education majors like math, physics, chemistry, etc education is literally one of the easiest degrees to get through with a BS degree. This isn’t my opinion, there are many many lists out there. 

So you are right, nearly anyone can do it which is why there are literally 1000s fighting for 100s of jobs in each area of the state. This is also why they start at $35,000, as supply and demand dictates. If 1000 people apply for 100 jobs the pay will be low. If 100 people are looking at 1000 jobs the pay will be high.

For instance, even at the worse time of the last recession in 2008, when unemployment was at like 16%, engineering unemployment never went above 4%. There aren’t enough people graduating each year in engineering to fill the jobs, so they get paid very well.  

posted by iclfan2

Lol I’m not gonna quote that, but teachers saying you can’t measure their performance is hilarious. Like no one else has ever worked a job. So hard.

Based on the severe lack of understanding of our constitution and the electoral college, I would say it’s easily measurable.

posted by jmog

Yup, that’s one of my favorite “it would all be our supervisors/principal’s opinion!”

Welcome to the real world sweet cakes, that’s how we all get evaluated.

Amen.  It’s being a big boy and accepting the world ain’t fair.  If you hate your job, guess what - Indeed.com has many options waiting for you right this very second.  

posted by jmog

Yup, that’s one of my favorite “it would all be our supervisors/principal’s opinion!”

Welcome to the real world sweet cakes, that’s how we all get evaluated.

I guess you dont understand shared attribution and data points.  

posted by Fletch

I guess you dont understand shared attribution and data points.  

Oh I do, I just think its hilarious that no profession complains about their job more than teachers. Teachers complained that their evaluations were purely subjective by the administration then they get something like shared attribution and complain that "well they can't force the students to actually learn, study, etc". 

So when its subjective they complain, when its a metric to hit with the students, they complain more.

In other words stop your bitching, you don't have it worse than people in the real world.

posted by Fletch

I guess you dont understand shared attribution and data points.  

Just assume every profession has its difficulties.  The grass appears greener when you don't know the details.  For example, Ralph works in an adult book store.  He gets to look at naked ladies all day every day.  "Sounds awesome" you say.  True, Ralph can watch porn anytime he wants.  Trouble is, Ralph's title is "Video Booth Mop Technician".  He is in charge of keeping that area of the store clean.  

So it's not all milk and cookies.  There's always more to the story.

At least it's good to see that for a brief period, CC's found a different argument that the entire site can dunk on him for making.

posted by jmog

Oh I do, I just think its hilarious that no profession complains about their job more than teachers. Teachers complained that their evaluations were purely subjective by the administration then they get something like shared attribution and complain that "well they can't force the students to actually learn, study, etc". 

So when its subjective they complain, when its a metric to hit with the students, they complain more.

In other words stop your bitching, you don't have it worse than people in the real world.

The example for the private sector would be having your evaluation be determined on how well others do at their job.  Its fair because you all work at the same place right?

posted by Fletch

The example for the private sector would be having your evaluation be determined on how well others do at their job.  Its fair because you all work at the same place right?

Part of my review includes how my sales team does, how my division does and how the overall company does.  I have limited control over any of this.  Is that what you're meaning?

posted by Fletch

The example for the private sector would be having your evaluation be determined on how well others do at their job.  Its fair because you all work at the same place right?

Lol, what a moron.

1/2 of my bonus every year is based on how other people in my group did in the year. 1/2 is based on how I did.

You keep saying shit like it only happens to teachers yet the private world deals with it all the time. 

It’s almost like you not only have never worked in the real world but you also have never even asked friends/family that do work in the real world how the real world works.

posted by jmog

Oh I do, I just think its hilarious that no profession complains about their job more than teachers.

Not that I disagree, but I think a lot of it is the union.  Obviously, many members will drink the kool-aid, but a lot of the hyperbole and entitlement is a marketing/negotiating tactic.  If we're being honest, probably over 90% of the population thinks he or she is underpaid.

I don't think it's that different from other unions, either.  Bend over backwards to protect the 5% turds who should be fired because that's the frontline to preserve all the job security/protections they've won.

posted by gut

Not that I disagree, but I think a lot of it is the union.  Obviously, many members will drink the kool-aid, but a lot of the hyperbole and entitlement is a marketing/negotiating tactic.  If we're being honest, probably over 90% of the population thinks he or she is underpaid.

I don't think it's that different from other unions, either.  Bend over backwards to protect the 5% turds who should be fired because that's the frontline to preserve all the job security/protections they've won.

You may not be wrong, but that just means they aren’t just whiners they are dumb enough to get brainwashed by their union and repeat it all.

posted by jmog

Lol, what a moron.

1/2 of my bonus every year is based on how other people in my group did in the year. 1/2 is based on how I did.

You keep saying shit like it only happens to teachers yet the private world deals with it all the time. 

It’s almost like you not only have never worked in the real world but you also have never even asked friends/family that do work in the real world how the real world works.

The flaw in your example is your “bonus” isn’t your “pay”,  it’s a bonus.  Your lu my you get payed on performance.  Now take your “pay” and subject it to other peoples performance and see what your tune is.

posted by Fletch

The flaw in your example is your “bonus” isn’t your “pay”,  it’s a bonus.  Your lu my you get payed on performance.  Now take your “pay” and subject it to other peoples performance and see what your tune is.

Not just bonuses, but increases are determined by how departments/divisions/entire organizations do.  Not to mention people who are paid on commission - much of which it determined by how a company performs logistically, operationally - things out of a commission earner's control.  

There are countless examples of professions that have compensation in part based upon things outside the employee's control.  Why in the world do you think that is unique to teaching.  

All this aside, why in the world did you voluntarily become a teacher if you hate it so much?

posted by jmog

You may not be wrong, but that just means they aren’t just whiners they are dumb enough to get brainwashed by their union and repeat it all.

And a big issue is, though teachers may not get paid a ton of money,  they cannot be fired either, unless they basically commit murder or engage in inappropriate behavior with students.   They can be bad, really bad, at their 'profession, and remain employed.  And that type of situation weighs everyone down, including the good ones, which is why the model is failing our kids. 

There should be no public sector unions, especially militant ones that are cheating our kids. 

posted by Fletch

The flaw in your example is your “bonus” isn’t your “pay”,  it’s a bonus.  Your lu my you get payed on performance.  Now take your “pay” and subject it to other peoples performance and see what your tune is.

Congratulations on keeping going down the moron rabbit hole.

For most higher end management/engineering roles your bonus is absolutely part of your compensation.

My pay is absolutely subject to other peoples performance. For what I do that 20% bonus is part of my compensation package and it is part of my pay. 

If the rest of my group has a terrible year I make $10-15,000 less that year than I did say the year before. So yeah, it’s part of my “pay” when I get PAID $10-15,000 less if they don’t have a good year.

God you couldn’t be more of a moron if you tried.

posted by jmog

God you couldn’t be more of a moron if you tried.

There is a part of me that legit wants him to say "challenge accepted" to this just to see what the outcome is.

posted by justincredible

My federal withholdings went up $150 in the first pay period of 2022. I was told my taxes wouldn’t go up one penny, but it’s looking like I’m going to pay an extra $4000 to the feds this year. 

Figured out the issue. The entity that pays me changed (new division in the company or something, I'm not sure) and the reset all withholding elections. This switched my "married filing jointly" election to "married filing separately" thus the increase. 

So, Biden gets a pass on this one. But he's still an asshole.