LOCKED: Disgusted with progressives

posted by CenterBHSFan

Getting a pass based on skin color is racism, not reverse racism. 

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The popular questions going around now is "What do Asian people that were interred into camps during WW2 think? What do their descendants think now that they have to have drastically higher SAT's than whites, hispanics and blacks to gain admittance? 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/white-students-unfair-advantage-in-admissions.html

A 2009 Princeton study showed Asian-Americans had to score 140 points higher on their SATs than whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics and 450 points higher than blacks to have the same chance of admission to leading universities.

Ultimately we'll have to deal with the question of do we want a meritocracy or do we want to base everything on race, gender, sexuality, religion? Is there a winner? If we go with merit, people will scream about the underprivileged. If we go with a supremacy class of people based on immutable characteristics, people will scream about bigotry. 

So maybe when you look at things that way, you could just very well be correct: Let's have segregated graduation ceremonies. Strom Thurmond and George Wallace would be excessively proud!

Did you read the article? 

Yes I did. It's an opinion piece that links to a study. 

As an aside, there is an investigation now that is trying to find out if Yale is discriminating against men lol!

posted by CenterBHSFan

Getting a pass based on skin color is racism, not reverse racism. 

........

The popular questions going around now is "What do Asian people that were interred into camps during WW2 think? What do their descendants think now that they have to have drastically higher SAT's than whites, hispanics and blacks to gain admittance? 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/white-students-unfair-advantage-in-admissions.html

A 2009 Princeton study showed Asian-Americans had to score 140 points higher on their SATs than whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics and 450 points higher than blacks to have the same chance of admission to leading universities.

Ultimately we'll have to deal with the question of do we want a meritocracy or do we want to base everything on race, gender, sexuality, religion? Is there a winner? If we go with merit, people will scream about the underprivileged. If we go with a supremacy class of people based on immutable characteristics, people will scream about bigotry. 

So maybe when you look at things that way, you could just very well be correct: Let's have segregated graduation ceremonies. Strom Thurmond and George Wallace would be excessively proud!

Are you comparing the Asian experience to the black experience in this country? Any Asians get lynched? Separate schools for Asians? Separate fountains? Asians certainly have done a great job. I commend them. The black community has a lot to learn from their model. The difference is the sample size of the Asians who migrated here came by CHOICE.. they were a very select group of hard working people who no doubt instilled that in their children. But again that is a very small sample size of “asians”. You can find similar numbers if successful hardworking black families. Further no other groups have been blocked from assimilation as we have seen with blacks. Italians and Irish could change their name, hide their accent etc.. blacks can’t hide dark skin. Dark skin has always been more ill perceived than being Asian and had been met with more Barriers. When whites are on welfare or use Medicaid they are getting back on their feet, working to make ends meet. When blacks use the programs they are viewed as lazy and living off the government. That being said I am hopeful blacks will start supporting each other and support black business and schools etc 

posted by geeblock

Did you read the article? 

White students make up 95% of all college students but please woe is me about admissions 

posted by CenterBHSFan

Yes I did. It's an opinion piece that links to a study. 

I was talking about the original post about the separate graduation.  Not the one where you are crying about admissions of whites who make up 95% of all college students

I'm not "crying". Why would you take it to that point? I've pointed things out. That is not crying. 

I've pointed things out because there is much to consider and different angles to look at things. I think it is worthy to do so. If you do not think it is worthy and consider that "crying: then maybe I'm not the person who you should try to have a decent exchange with.

posted by SportsAndLady

Quaker is an old, racist dickbag with zero concept of reality. I'd ignore him.

Thank you.

I was commenting on the reparations comment only, not the larger debate.  Current blacks who have never been enslaved (except by BIG government liberal democrats) should not be expecting others, who never enslaved anyone, to send them money.  Hence, the "get over it" remark.  For some reason, I thought you to be of reasonable sense and would tend to agree.

posted by CenterBHSFan

I'm not "crying". Why would you take it to that point? I've pointed things out. That is not crying. 

I've pointed things out because there is much to consider and different angles to look at things. I think it is worthy to do so. If you do not think it is worthy and consider that "crying: then maybe I'm not the person who you should try to have a decent exchange with.

I thought you were going with the whites can’t get into college because of admissions policy discrimination which usually comes right before the what about Chicago train. My bad 

posted by geeblock

Cameras expose a lot of things that have been angering AA for years. Also I can see videos taken out of context that fan the flames. I think another video is gonna come out today from Milwaukee as a matter of fact that must be bad because the cops are already apologizing. 

I'm all for more cameras. It holds people on both sides accountable. Shows the country that blacks do go through some messed up shit (not necessarily by white cops, I think a lot of it is a power thing), and also holds the other side accountable when they make up claims.  Dumbass Shaun King spread numerous rumors within the last month of some woman who was "being held hostage" by a Texas cop in jail. Thousands (like 80,000 from all of the posts) of likes on his dumbass posts. The footage came out today and each claim was false. And I guarantee that the tweets admitting false (not from him bc he's a loser) won't get anywhere near the popularity.  

Twitter when you only follow one side is weird. A fake narrative can literally be pushed to hundreds of thousand of people, and when proven false those people never see it and go on believing all of this fake shit. It's crazy.

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

Thank you.

I was commenting on the reparations comment only, not the larger debate.  Current blacks who have never been enslaved (except by BIG government liberal democrats) should not be expecting others, who never enslaved anyone, to send them money.  Hence, the "get over it" remark.  For some reason, I thought you to be of reasonable sense and would tend to agree.

This take totally ignores the advantage that Quaker received from generational wealth that allowed him to have this amazing opinion. that blacks did not have access to 

Yeah ........I descended from royalty actually ..........

posted by geeblock

This take totally ignores the advantage that Quaker received from generational wealth that allowed him to have this amazing opinion. that blacks did not have access to 

I’m also not asking or advocating for reparations I’m just saying let’s not ignore the enrichment one group received at the expense of anoth

posted by geeblock

This take totally ignores the advantage that Quaker received from generational wealth that allowed him to have this amazing opinion. that blacks did not have access to 

I can't get down this this logic in 2018, sorry.  It's hard to imagine now, but when immigrants came thru Ellis Island they were treated like shit and were not liked.  They came here with nothing guaranteed, but an opportunity.   Most of them were not very rich either and most were discriminated against.  A lot of businesses tried to take advantage of them by offering them wages half the amount of US citizens.  I will use the Irish and Italians as example since they were the largest sample size of these immigrants and you brought up the festivals lol.  Most came here poor and most of them did not go from rags to riches off the boat.  What they did was work hard and set up an foundation for the next generation of their family, the next after, etc. We don't hear much these days about the mass poverty rate and crime coming from Italian/Irish Americans. Granted, there weren't laws purposely set in place (that I know of) to discriminate these people, but it would be laughable now if an Italian/Irish American used their great, great grand family as an excuse for their hardships. 

What about asians?  The Chinese at one point were straight up banned from coming to the states and had to move to Cuba to gain Cuban citizenship, which they eventually used to enter the US from Cuba.  The Japanese were placed in internment camps.  Asians now have the highest median income in this country.

Jews?  There was that whole holocaust thing and FDR turned down jewish refugees.  Not many jokes  thrown around about jews being unsuccessful or poor these days.

I wouldn't say "get over it." It is important to understand history, so it never repeats itself.  I feel this way with many topics, especially guns.  It's also important to understand where you came from however,  in 2018 I just can't get behind using something that happened 50+ years ago to my grandparents generation as an excuse or an attack on other people that had nothing to do with that era.  Especially in the case of AAs when they have affirmative action and an entire party promising them entitlements.   I don't think that was ever MLK's vision.

posted by geeblock

I’m also not asking or advocating for reparations I’m just saying let’s not ignore the enrichment one group received at the expense of anoth

That's actually the short point that I took the long route to.

https://afro-optimist.blogspot.com/2018/05/explaining-affirmative-action-to-martian.html

posted by like_that

I can't get down this this logic in 2018, sorry.  It's hard to imagine now, but when immigrants came thru Ellis Island they were treated like shit and were not liked.  They came here with nothing guaranteed, but an opportunity.   Most of them were not very rich either and most were discriminated against.  A lot of businesses tried to take advantage of them by offering them wages half the amount of US citizens.  I will use the Irish and Italians as example since they were the largest sample size of these immigrants and you brought up the festivals lol.  Most came here poor and most of them did not go from rags to riches off the boat.  What they did was work hard and set up an foundation for the next generation of their family, the next after, etc. We don't hear much these days about the mass poverty rate and crime coming from Italian/Irish Americans. Granted, there weren't laws purposely set in place (that I know of) to discriminate these people, but it would be laughable now if an Italian/Irish American used their great, great grand family as an excuse for their hardships. 

What about asians?  The Chinese at one point were straight up banned from coming to the states and had to move to Cuba to gain Cuban citizenship, which they eventually used to enter the US from Cuba.  The Japanese were placed in internment camps.  Asians now have the highest median income in this country.

Jews?  There was that whole holocaust thing and FDR turned down jewish refugees.  Not many jokes  thrown around about jews being unsuccessful or poor these days.

I wouldn't say "get over it." It is important to understand history, so it never repeats itself.  I feel this way with many topics, especially guns.  It's also important to understand where you came from however,  in 2018 I just can't get behind using something that happened 50+ years ago to my grandparents generation as an excuse or an attack on other people that had nothing to do with that era.  Especially in the case of AAs when they have affirmative action and an entire party promising them entitlements.   I don't think that was ever MLK's vision.

I hear what your saying. AA have the same conversations. I haven’t made any excuses. Outside of the Jews none of those experiences is worst or lasted as long as what happened to black people tho. 60 years of Jim Crow even after all that bs. In my opinion with gentrification and the lack of valuable land in suburbs we are seeing the ghettos torn down and people being pushed out to areas where I think better schools and better chances at assimilation will happen. Time is needed. I’m my opinion real opportunity for blacks educationally and employment wise en mass wasn’t a real thing until probably the 80s maybe late 70s. That’s not the case for other groups you mentioned. But I def understand what you are saying 

posted by geeblock

I hear what your saying. AA have the same conversations. I haven’t made any excuses. Outside of the Jews none of those experiences is worst or lasted as long as what happened to black people tho. 60 years of Jim Crow even after all that bs. In my opinion with gentrification and the lack of valuable land in suburbs we are seeing the ghettos torn down and people being pushed out to areas where I think better schools and better chances at assimilation will happen. Time is needed. I’m my opinion real opportunity for blacks educationally and employment wise en mass wasn’t a real thing until probably the 80s maybe late 70s. That’s not the case for other groups you mentioned. But I def understand what you are saying 

Also trust me no one is more embarrassed by the behavior of SOME black people than other black people. I have spent most of my life overtipping, being nice to rude cops and a myriad of other unnecessary things in the hope that I can break a stereotype or change someone’s mind or hope the cop will be nicer to the next black person because of it. The thing is it seems that blacks Constantly have to identify with the worst of our race, but I don’t see whites having to identify with the worst of theirs 

posted by CenterBHSFan

That's actually the short point that I took the long route to.

https://afro-optimist.blogspot.com/2018/05/explaining-affirmative-action-to-martian.html

That’s fair but I’m more talking about people being killed by cops and being denied total access to freedom. Not just Karen didn’t get into her first choice of college and had to go to her second choice. If that is what that article was saying?

posted by CenterBHSFan

That's actually the short point that I took the long route to.

https://afro-optimist.blogspot.com/2018/05/explaining-affirmative-action-to-martian.html

This reminds me of someone who has no chance of getting stop and frisked telling me stop and frisk is no big deal if you have nothing illegal on you lol 

posted by CenterBHSFan

That's actually the short point that I took the long route to.

https://afro-optimist.blogspot.com/2018/05/explaining-affirmative-action-to-martian.html

100 years of oppression and now call for meritocracy the moment u lose the advantage is what I see