LOCKED: Disgusted with progressives, part 2...

posted by CenterBHSFan

I don't know. I'm a bit conflicted now, with a second accuser. I'm still skeptical, but I'm also thinking that I was also skeptical of Bill Cosby until there was a handful of accusers. Where there is smoke there is usually a fire. What keeps me skeptical, still, is the fact that all of these accusations are extremely "hazy", no evidence and (most importantly) politically convenient. 

At this point, though, I will say that there needs to be some admission somewhere, evidence of some sort besides an unnamed therapy session or an indifferent witness (in this second case, since we already know there is one in the first). I'm not sure what else can possibly be done to investigate this guy. He's been through how many FBI investigations already for previous positions? What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Should that be thrown out the window? 

Meanwhile I can't help but guess that this will pull the shades down on at least some votes for the democrat party. 

Did you read the article?  I am not sure how you could be conflicted.  In fact the more bullshit accusations come out (brace yourself for Avenatti to get in the mix), the more it dilutes Ford's original cliam.  Her accusation has less substance than Ford's.  You have her friends coming out (in this article) stating they have no fucking clue what she is talking, never heard he say a word about it, and suggest this could be politically motivated.  WAPO, NYT, CNN, and NBC all turned down this story.  If anything, it's a complete disgrace the New Yorker would roll with publishing this story.  

posted by like_that

Did you read the article?  I am not sure how you could be conflicted.  In fact the more bullshit accusations come out (brace yourself for Avenatti to get in the mix), the more it dilutes Ford's original cliam.  Her accusation has less substance than Ford's.  You have her friends coming out (in this article) stating they have no fucking clue what she is talking, never heard he say a word about it, and suggest this could be politically motivated.  WAPO, NYT, CNN, and NBC all turned down this story.  If anything, it's a complete disgrace the New Yorker would roll with publishing this story.  

I will say Ronan Farrow is batting a .1000 on these stories though...All those publications also passed on the CBS story of his too. 

You think that given all the stories over the past year plus, people would pause before immediately calling any woman's story BS. I'm willing to believe any of the stories. 

I also think it is a really, really bad look to have all the GOP older men basically dismissing any of the accusations immediately. Completely tone deaf. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I will say Ronan Farrow is batting a .1000 on these stories though...All those publications also passed on the CBS story of his too. 

You think that given all the stories over the past year plus, people would pause before immediately calling any woman's story BS. I'm willing to believe any of the stories. 

I also think it is a really, really bad look to have all the GOP older men basically dismissing any of the accusations immediately. Completely tone deaf. 

Grassley has bent over backwards for Ford. And most polls show men and women alike don't believe the accuser. Without evidence I simply can't get behind "believe all women". 

posted by iclfan2

Grassley has bent over backwards for Ford. And most polls show men and women alike don't believe the accuser, so what tone? Without evidence I simply can't get behind "believe all women". 

Grassley, ok sure. Hatch's and Mcconnell's comments were pretty tone deaf. Hatch saying she is confused was pretty damn bad. 

Given that most high profile accusations have turned out true, I wouldn't dismiss the believe all women line of thinking....just saying...

Ronan Farrow and these stories have earned a lot of cred recently. 

this 2nd allegation ends up making it all look like a witch hunt and the first one now looks like its fake news also

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I will say Ronan Farrow is batting a .1000 on these stories though...All those publications also passed on the CBS story of his too. 

You think that given all the stories over the past year plus, people would pause before immediately calling any woman's story BS. I'm willing to believe any of the stories. 

I also think it is a really, really bad look to have all the GOP older men basically dismissing any of the accusations immediately. Completely tone deaf. 

"You are willing to believe any of their stories"........folks there you have it.

posted by Spock

"You are willing to believe any of their stories"........folks there you have it.

 

 

Yes, willing, because, again, these high profile stories have ended up being true. Therefore, I'm willing to listen and believe them because in the past, we easily dismissed them. 

Sounds like Rod Rosenstein is resigning as Deputy AG.

Is it just that it's getting more press than in the past, or is there more of a revolving door under this presidential term?

posted by O-Trap

Sounds like Rod Rosenstein is resigning as Deputy AG.

Is it just that it's getting more press than in the past, or is there more of a revolving door under this presidential term?

Shiiit. Well, that is very interesting as now what happens at DOJ. 

And yeah, nice observation in that under Obama or Bush, there was not this much turnover this early. Usually, the turnover occurs at least until after the midterm, and then really after a 1st term. (Assuming a 2nd term.) 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Grassley, ok sure. Hatch's and Mcconnell's comments were pretty tone deaf. Hatch saying she is confused was pretty damn bad. 

Given that most high profile accusations have turned out true, I wouldn't dismiss the believe all women line of thinking....just saying...

Ronan Farrow and these stories have earned a lot of cred recently. 

Same question I asked CHS.  Did you read the article?  He completely makes the case against Ramirez.  Here are some highlights if not:

-It says they could not find a single witness that could put Kavanaugh at this party.

-It could not find a person who corroborates her story.

-The man who allegedly egged Kavanaugh on is vouching for him and does not recall any of this happening.

-One person that was allegedly there has already said she was not there.

-Ramirez admits that she contacted her friends and wasn't sure if it was Kavanaugh.

-Ramirez's "best friend" said Ramirez never mentioned this event and her accusations might be politically motivated.

-She wasn't even sure if her memory was correct, but all of a sudden 6 days with her lawyer she figured it out.

-She admits there are holes in her memory due to drinking (keep in mind this was 30 years ago).

-She never mentioned this to her friends until recently when Kavanaugh was nominated.

Just because you put Ronan's name on it, doesn't make it credible.  He put all of that into his article and yet somehow thought it was ok to publish the story.  There is a reason why several left leaning sources passed up on publishing this shit.  It's pure trash. 

So far we have 2 allegations with around 12+ witnesses.  None of them corroborate with the accusers.  Very weak case.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yes, willing, because, again, these high profile stories have ended up being true. Therefore, I'm willing to listen and believe them because in the past, we easily dismissed them. 

Duke lacrosse?  That frat at Virgina?

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I will say Ronan Farrow is batting a .1000 on these stories though...All those publications also passed on the CBS story of his too. 

You think that given all the stories over the past year plus, people would pause before immediately calling any woman's story BS. I'm willing to believe any of the stories. 

I also think it is a really, really bad look to have all the GOP older men basically dismissing any of the accusations immediately. Completely tone deaf. 

You do realize you said "batting .1000" which is only being "right" 1/10 times. You probably meant "batting 1.000" which would mean "right every time" but your faux pas is actually quite accurate, they haven't gotten much right yet at all. 

posted by like_that

So far we have 2 allegations with around 12+ witnesses.  None of them corroborate with the accusers.  Very weak case.

Now up to 4 allegations.  One is Avenati saying Kavanaugh "may have been present at gang rapes organized by a classmate in high school".  Wow, just wow.  So, basically, anyone sexually assaulted in Maryland when Kavanaugh was in highschool needs to be investigated to rule him out?

And, yeah, that would actually be the 4th allegation - Maryland police are investigating an incident from the early 80's, no more details provided.

Like I said, go ahead and confirm and if any of these allegations have any merit/evidence whatsoever, then impeach him.

posted by gut

Now up to 4 allegations.  One is Avenati saying Kavanaugh "may have been present at gang rapes organized by a classmate in high school".  Wow, just wow.  So, basically, anyone sexually assaulted in Maryland when Kavanaugh was in highschool needs to be investigated to rule him out?

And, yeah, that would be the 4th allegation - Maryland police are investigating, no more details provided.

Like I said, go ahead and confirm and if any of these allegations have any merit/evidence whatsoever, then impeach him.

This is right up here with Pizzagate.  

That last one may warrant more serious consideration, since someone actually went to the police and it's being investigated [allegedly].

Of course, this now gives Ford an excuse to back out from testifying, because Dems will demand an investigation be done first. 

posted by gut

That last one may warrant more serious consideration, since someone actually went to the police and it's being investigated [allegedly].

Of course, this now gives Ford an excuse to back out from testifying, because Dems will demand an investigation be done first. 

It is not being investigated, per the police. WTF would they even investigate. The GOP can't do anything right now bc if they stop the confirmation process they will get murdered in October. 

posted by iclfan2

It is not being investigated, per the police. WTF would they even investigate. The GOP can't do anything right now bc if they stop the confirmation process they will get murdered in October. 

I was referring to a 4th, unnamed and unspecified incident, which had been reported and Maryland police were supposedly investigating.  The police have said they don't have such an open investigation?

The Maryland police (Montgomery) said they aren't investigating any claims against Kavanaugh currently. Not sure what the 4th one is but the local news that came out and said police were investigating were wrong. It's a circus.

posted by like_that

Did you read the article?  I am not sure how you could be conflicted.  In fact the more bullshit accusations come out (brace yourself for Avenatti to get in the mix), the more it dilutes Ford's original cliam.  Her accusation has less substance than Ford's.  You have her friends coming out (in this article) stating they have no fucking clue what she is talking, never heard he say a word about it, and suggest this could be politically motivated.  WAPO, NYT, CNN, and NBC all turned down this story.  If anything, it's a complete disgrace the New Yorker would roll with publishing this story.  

No, I actually didn't. I was just going by whatever show my mother was watching this morning. Not sure if it was NBC or CBS and it was just a 30 second thing. 

But I just read the article and I ... have to agree with ya.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

You think that given all the stories over the past year plus, people would pause before immediately calling any woman's story BS. I'm willing to believe any of the stories. 

I also think it is a really, really bad look to have all the GOP older men basically dismissing any of the accusations immediately. Completely tone deaf. 

You're really getting into the identity politics, eh? It is getting to the point that wherever I see this puke I automatically dismiss it. 

You've got people on this forum who are pretty liberal socially (conservative otherwise) who avoid this shit like the plague and here you come with it. FFS you can do better than this PTown.