Disgusted by the Trump administration part II

gut Senior Member
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Sat, Jan 6, 2018 11:36 PM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

No not at all....

If it has too much power, it matters...

So, Obama had no power or influence, just so we are sure? 

 

LMFAO....what are you trying to prove/deflect?

8,788 posts 21 reps Joined Nov 2009
Sat, Jan 6, 2018 11:38 PM

If Trump doesn't matter, then Obama didn't matter. Bush didn't matter or Clinton didn't matter. 

Your arguement that Trump does not matter flies in the face of 50 plus years of Executive Branch power.  

Trump is the President. At the end of the day, what he says or does matters. 

 

CenterBHSFan 333 - I'm only half evil
7,259 posts 44 reps Joined Nov 2009
Sun, Jan 7, 2018 5:51 AM

What's really scary is that people actually fell for the Gorilla story. Imagine having TDS so damn bad that you got punked by it. 

gut Senior Member
18,369 posts 90 reps Joined Nov 2009
Sun, Jan 7, 2018 10:50 PM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

If Trump doesn't matter, then Obama didn't matter. Bush didn't matter or Clinton didn't matter. 

Your arguement that Trump does not matter flies in the face of 50 plus years of Executive Branch power.  

Trump is the President. At the end of the day, what he says or does matters. 

 

Well what exactly do you think Obama has left as far as accomplishments?  

If you're being honest, POTUS is pretty clearly a figurehead.  Congress has the real power, and aside from checks & balances POTUS has little.  He hires people who hire the people who do the real work.  You seem to be making this argument because of the need to believe Obama did something positive, and that Trump is evil.  Truth is both suck and don't matter.

I used to believe what the POTUS said and did mattered....but after 8 years of Obama and 1 year of Trump I've realized that's simply wrong.

like_that 1st Team All-PWN
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Mon, Jan 8, 2018 7:38 AM
posted by gut

Well what exactly do you think Obama has left as far as accomplishments?  

If you're being honest, POTUS is pretty clearly a figurehead.  Congress has the real power, and aside from checks & balances POTUS has little.  He hires people who hire the people who do the real work.  You seem to be making this argument because of the need to believe Obama did something positive, and that Trump is evil.  Truth is both suck and don't matter.

I used to believe what the POTUS said and did mattered....but after 8 years of Obama and 1 year of Trump I've realized that's simply wrong.

I guess it comes down to do you attribute executive overreach to the president (signing orders, appointing certain people, making the branch bigger, etc) or the departments under the executive branch doing the actual work (i.e. Rogue EPA, Sessions/teh weed, etc).  

I personally think it goes hand in hand.  It drove my crazy with Obama, and I am not a fan of Trump signing away EOs every other day either.  Although I can't complain when it comes to anything that involves deregulation or kicking back to congress to do their job.  

CenterBHSFan 333 - I'm only half evil
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Mon, Jan 8, 2018 2:33 PM
posted by like_that

I personally think it goes hand in hand.  It drove my crazy with Obama, and I am not a fan of Trump signing away EOs every other day either.  Although I can't complain when it comes to anything that involves deregulation or kicking back to congress to do their job.  

I agree with this.

Automatik Senior Member
15,737 posts 93 reps Joined Nov 2009
Mon, Jan 8, 2018 7:39 PM

Thoughts on Donald's demand to cease and desist publication of Fire and Fury?

24,621 posts 243 reps Joined May 2010
Mon, Jan 8, 2018 7:46 PM
posted by Automatik

Thoughts on Donald's demand to cease and desist publication of Fire and Fury?

InB4:

Yeah but obama did blah blah hypocrite blah blah.

CenterBHSFan 333 - I'm only half evil
7,259 posts 44 reps Joined Nov 2009
Mon, Jan 8, 2018 8:56 PM

I don't really care about the book, I won't be buying it.

However, for those who watched the pregame CFB championship - I couldn't help but think "what a puffed up baggage he is!" And then he sort of mumbled his way through the anthem. Nice.

24,621 posts 243 reps Joined May 2010
Mon, Jan 8, 2018 9:05 PM
posted by CenterBHSFan

I don't really care about the book, I won't be buying it.

However, for those who watched the pregame CFB championship - I couldn't help but think "what a puffed up baggage he is!" And then he sort of mumbled his way through the anthem. Nice.

The question wasn't about your thoughts on the book. The question was about the POTUS trying to take away the first amendment.

Automatik Senior Member
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Mon, Jan 8, 2018 9:10 PM

Prior restraint, blatently unconsitutional, no big deal. 

superman Senior Member
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Mon, Jan 8, 2018 9:12 PM
posted by Automatik

Thoughts on Donald's demand to cease and desist publication of Fire and Fury?

Link?

Automatik Senior Member
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Mon, Jan 8, 2018 9:15 PM

www.askjeeves.com

CenterBHSFan 333 - I'm only half evil
7,259 posts 44 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jan 9, 2018 12:01 AM
posted by Commander of Awesome

The question wasn't about your thoughts on the book. The question was about the POTUS trying to take away the first amendment.

I know it wasn't. I said what I wanted to.

salto Senior Member
2,693 posts 14 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jan 9, 2018 12:34 AM
posted by gut

Well what exactly do you think Obama has left as far as accomplishments?  

 

Ordered the capture and killing of Bin Laden.

Saved GM and Chrysler.  

Won the Nobel peace prize in 2009.

 

Just to name a few.

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Tue, Jan 9, 2018 7:07 AM
posted by salto

Ordered the capture and killing of Bin Laden.

Saved GM and Chrysler.  

Won the Nobel peace prize in 2009.

 

Just to name a few.

Lol

like_that 1st Team All-PWN
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Tue, Jan 9, 2018 7:42 AM
posted by Automatik

Prior restraint, blatently unconsitutional, no big deal. 

I think the cease and desist comes off as desperate and it makes it look like the book has more to reveal.  I think reality is the worst came out, so I am not sure why Trump is doing this other than he has an ego.  There has been 100000000x worse reported on him, and it really didn't do much damage.  Not to mention the people who want to read it to get their TDS porn will do so, and the people who want to defend him saying the book is inaccurate will also do so.  It already is happening. I would have just taken the "L" and let his people defend him , which they are already doing (even CNN is picking up on some inaccuracies of the book).  The optics of it all comes off as terrible, but that is par for the course for this current administration.  They could solve world hunger and would fuck it up with a Trump tweet.

 

That being said, I am not lawyer, but I am pretty sure a cease and desist is not unconstitutional.  In most cases it is a scare tactic, but it's a letter that pretty much says "hey stop doing (insert alleged* illegal activity) or we will take action."   In this case Trump is claiming libel/defamation and is threatening to sue if the book continues to be distributed. It gets murky, because it IS unconstitional for the government prevent any type of publication (i.e. the prior restraint supreme court decision referenced by the author's lawyer), but that is not what a cease and desist is doing.  The letter is pretty standard, and I can only imagine how many are sent to most media companies every year.  There were plenty (and there will be plenty in the future) of cease and desist letters sent during the election for certain political ads. 

 

*I bolded alleged so there is no butt hurt, because the claims of defamation debatable. 

QuakerOats Senior Member
11,701 posts 53 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jan 9, 2018 10:34 AM
posted by salto

Ordered the capture and killing of Bin Laden.

Saved GM and Chrysler.  

Won the Nobel peace prize in 2009.

 

Just to name a few.

Did not save anything, actually made the car industry worse with cash for clunkers and literally stealing thousands of auto dealerships. 

 

Did not "win" the Nobel peace prize; was given it.  And now it should be revoked as we find out. 

 

Heretic Son of the Sun
20,517 posts 187 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jan 9, 2018 11:33 AM
posted by CenterBHSFan

I don't really care about the book, I won't be buying it.

However, for those who watched the pregame CFB championship - I couldn't help but think "what a puffed up baggage he is!" And then he sort of mumbled his way through the anthem. Nice.

Is it surprising to anyone that Mr. Don't Disrespect Muh Anthem doesn't actually know the words to said song?

QuakerOats Senior Member
11,701 posts 53 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jan 9, 2018 11:36 AM
posted by Heretic

Is it surprising to anyone that Mr. Don't Disrespect Muh Anthem doesn't actually know the words to said song?

Well, he has dementia don't cha know ....................CNN revealed that last night. 

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