Did the Media Botch the Russia Story? Vox (yes Vox) maybe starting to "get it"

  • Fri, Apr 5, 2019 11:14 AM
    posted by ptown_trojans_1

    Ehhh, I'm not so sure. You are making conjectures and assumptions without the full report and the proper context. Maybe there was no clear cut deliberate attempt to obstruct or maybe there was just a little basis, but the political realities just make that impossible to follow through. Who knows without the context of the full report. Also, I think it is a leap to assume that one political party weaponized the DOJ and media without reading the full report. 

    On your last point, I've read differently. Maybe it was one data point, that offered clues, but it did not start or lead to the investigation/ special council. I even think Chris Wallace at Fox made this point last weekend. 

    I dont agree with all of them, but you bring up some valid points.  One thing I can't get behind is your take on invesitgating the previous admin by saying the country doesn't want to go down that road.  Two points:

    1. You don't think it's important to keep our government in check, especially when it comes to the executive branch abusing its powers?  I don't care if it is a republican, democrat, conservative, liberal, progressive, libertarian etc in office.  Executive powers being abused is extremely concerned for our nation.  It's the foundation to why our founding fathers created the constitution. I get that some investigations are just a sham to make people look bad, but keeping the executive branch in check is extremely important.  In a perfect world though, wouldn't it just be nice for everyone to quite blindly allowing the government to chip away at their rights, so the Government wouldn't be big enough to have this type of power to abuse?

    2.  You say you don't think the country should/want to go down this road yet we just went thru a 2 year investigation. The media and democrats used these as a crutch to take unverified shots and work people up into a frenzy.  Just look at the video I posted above.  Hell, you don't even need the video.  How many times did we see a "BOMBSHELL, this time trump is finished" story the past 2 years?  People are still in a frenzy. I just road my bike near the whtie house yesterday and there was a rally for the Mueller report to be released (somebody should tell them the news that Barr already is 100% committed to releasing the report and testifying).  I just don't see how you believe the country shouldn't go down this path, but you were perfectly ok with this investigation that has pretty much turned into a nothing burger. Overall I think your views are left moderate and you're pretty fair, but when it comes to Obama you seem to immediately put on your partisan hat and become his protector/apologist.  You did this after Trump was inaugurated.  After the Obama admin and his supporters for a good 6-7 years blamed bush, you proclaimed nobody was allowed to bring up Obama now that he was out of the office.  I can't get behind that logic. 

    posted by GOONx19

    Lol. IDGAF if they release the report or what is in it, but if you really think these are at all comparable you are off your rocker.

    Maybe I am misinrepreting, but intrepret his analogy as this is more the left moving goal posts, just like the idiot birther people kept moving the goal posts.  One accusation was obviously a lot more tin hat foilish than the other. 

    A good argument can be made that the goalposts continue to be moved. 

    posted by queencitybuckeye

    The obstruction stuff in absence of any other crimes is amazingly lame. The left is so desperate that they want to charge the POTUS with covering up something that definitively did not happen. Better use of their time than coming up with a 2020 candidate that isn't a total piece of shit, I suppose.


    I said this back in 2016.  The dems would be better off focusing on policy.  The kitchen sink was already thrown at Trump. I can't imagine anything coming out worse than what we already know.  Throwing out a shitty candidate (i.e. Bernie) and trying to paint Trump as a facist/racist/sexist/etc villain most likely is not going to get the job dont for 2020.

     

    Fri, Apr 5, 2019 12:02 PM
    posted by ptown_trojans_1

    Seriously? It is not at all the case. Instead of the full report, we have a 4 page summary from a political appointee, where that AG made the recommendation to not move forward on the issue of obstruction. 

    Birther: We didn't get the full birth certificate, we have a short form "summary" directly from Obama himself (biased).

     

    Replace the phrase Mueller Report with Birth Certificate and  you have the exact same argument.

    Fri, Apr 5, 2019 12:03 PM
    posted by GOONx19

    Lol. IDGAF if they release the report or what is in it, but if you really think these are at all comparable you are off your rocker.

    I said those that think the full report will still prove collusion or something to impeach Trump with, are as funny/delusional as those birthers that thought the long form would show he was not born in Hawaii.

     

    That's what I said/meant.

    Fri, Apr 5, 2019 4:29 PM
    posted by ptown_trojans_1

    Ehhh, I'm not so sure. You are making conjectures and assumptions without the full report and the proper context. Maybe there was no clear cut deliberate attempt to obstruct or maybe there was just a little basis..

    If it's a sham investigation designed to obstruct and undermind a duly elected POTUS, then how can you have obstruction?  Forget the "letter of the law", practically speaking.  You can't obstruct a fake investigation, and that's essentially what Barr concluded in his summary.

    Again, McCabe or Rosenstein testified they would not have gotten a FISA warrant without the dossier.  Not that it was the sole basis for obtaining the warrant, but it was the pivotal piece for PURSUING the warrant.  Without those FISA warrants, your investigation into collusion falls apart.

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