Detransitioning a thing now?

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Tue, Oct 22, 2019 1:31 PM

Inevitably, this will get political or at least have political undertones, so I just put it in this forum preemptively.

Apparently, becoming "non-trans" is a thing, and it's larger an issue than I would have thought. It also sounds like some of them feel hostility from the LGBTQ+ community

Who would have thought?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/hundreds-of-young-trans-people-seeking-help-to-return-to-original-sex/ar-AAIiKg


gut Senior Member
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Tue, Oct 22, 2019 1:50 PM

I don't think I can be convinced gender dysphoria isn't a mental health issue.  I believe it used to be, and then classifications or statuses changed.

And various drugs (not the transitioning ones) may not be the best way to treat it, but transitioning is pretty drastic.  The article seems to suggest that, at least in some cases, it IS a mental health issue and transitioning is not appropriate treatment.

 

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Tue, Oct 22, 2019 1:54 PM
posted by gut

I don't think I can be convinced gender dysphoria isn't a mental health issue.

The article seems to suggest that, at least in some cases, it IS a mental health issue 

Of course it is a mental health issue. Which is why it’s disgusting to see what people do to their own kids. Freaks.

CenterBHSFan 333 - I'm only half evil
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Tue, Oct 22, 2019 5:28 PM

There is a case happening right now (forget where) a mother and father are fighting it out in court to determine if their 7 year old is able to transition. The court has ruled in favor of a child transitioning. IMO this is child abuse, both physical and mental. I can't imagine what the father is going through.

The whole trans explosion in the past two years has been a sight to behold. I honestly believe that there are a lot of people who are stuck in a perpetual state of larping and can't come back to reality until they done goofed. And as we're seeing right now with the above court case, woke parents (or one parent) are probably the largest part of the problem.

 

And I just saw that iclfan2 had already posted about this in another thread. Sorry!

Spock Senior Member
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Tue, Oct 22, 2019 5:57 PM

"Dad I think I want to be a girl."

"No son, your just a homosexual."

BRF Senior Member
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Tue, Oct 22, 2019 6:36 PM
posted by Spock

 

"No son, your just a homosexual."

Do you think that you can possibly ever figure out “your” and “you’re”?  
 

Jesus FC

Spock Senior Member
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Tue, Oct 22, 2019 8:22 PM

The rubber band usually snaps back pretty hard and fast.  This will soon pass and we will find us in some twilight zone of masculinity culture

ernest_t_bass 12th Son of the Lama
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Tue, Oct 22, 2019 9:39 PM
posted by BRF

Do you think that you can possibly ever figure out “your” and “you’re”?  
 

Jesus FC

could of

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Tue, Oct 22, 2019 10:54 PM
posted by ernest_t_bass

could of

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like_that 1st Team All-PWN
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Wed, Oct 23, 2019 3:36 AM
posted by gut

I don't think I can be convinced gender dysphoria isn't a mental health issue.  I believe it used to be, and then classifications or statuses changed.

And various drugs (not the transitioning ones) may not be the best way to treat it, but transitioning is pretty drastic.  The article seems to suggest that, at least in some cases, it IS a mental health issue and transitioning is not appropriate treatment.

 

It has medically been determined it is a mental disorder.  Funny how science and doctors are completely disregarded when it doesn't fit there agenda. There is nothing normal about it.  This is why their small community has a very high suicide rate.  This is also why confusing your children who don't know any better is child abuse.  Every time I see some 4-8 year old being celebrated for being "transgender," I cringe, because most likely that kid will grow up with many issues and based on empirical data has a very good chance of killing him/herself.

I laugh at the people who glorify this shit and deny it is a mental disorder.  These are the same people who cry about comedians like Dave Chapelle "literally leading them to suicide," because he has a few jokes about them.

gut Senior Member
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Wed, Oct 23, 2019 11:40 AM
posted by like_that

It has medically been determined it is a mental disorder. 

You're a little behind the "woke" scientific community.  As I said, it USED to be classified as a mental disorder:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/world-health-organization-removes-gender-dysphoria-from-list-of-mental-illnesses/

" The United Nations' health agency released a revised version of the International Classification of Diseases (ICD) that reclassifies "gender identity disorder" as "gender incongruence," which is now featured under the sexual health chapter rather than the mental disorders chapter. "

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Wed, Oct 23, 2019 1:06 PM
posted by BRF

Do you think that you can possibly ever figure out “your” and “you’re”?  
 

Jesus FC

 

 

 

like_that 1st Team All-PWN
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Wed, Oct 23, 2019 1:09 PM
posted by gut

You're a little behind the "woke" scientific community.  As I said, it USED to be classified as a mental disorder:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/world-health-organization-removes-gender-dysphoria-from-list-of-mental-illnesses/

" The United Nations' health agency released a revised version of the International Classification of Diseases (ICD) that reclassifies "gender identity disorder" as "gender incongruence," which is now featured under the sexual health chapter rather than the mental disorders chapter. "

I am behind "woke" science for sure.  I missed this story, but LOL.  Not that I needed more evidence, but this further proves that the UN has 0 credibility.

jmog Senior Member
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Mon, Oct 28, 2019 1:42 PM
posted by like_that

It has medically been determined it is a mental disorder.  Funny how science and doctors are completely disregarded when it doesn't fit there agenda. There is nothing normal about it.  This is why their small community has a very high suicide rate.  This is also why confusing your children who don't know any better is child abuse.  Every time I see some 4-8 year old being celebrated for being "transgender," I cringe, because most likely that kid will grow up with many issues and based on empirical data has a very good chance of killing him/herself.

I laugh at the people who glorify this shit and deny it is a mental disorder.  These are the same people who cry about comedians like Dave Chapelle "literally leading them to suicide," because he has a few jokes about them.

It originally was under the same grouping of mental disorders as anorexia. 

And that makes 100% sense as anorexia your mind tells you that your body is fat when in reality your body is rail thin. Your mind tells you that you are something completely opposite than what you are.

Transgender people (gender dysphoria) their minds tell them they are one gender when in fact their body is the other gender.

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Tue, Oct 29, 2019 10:16 PM
posted by jmog

It originally was under the same grouping of mental disorders as anorexia. 

And that makes 100% sense as anorexia your mind tells you that your body is fat when in reality your body is rail thin. Your mind tells you that you are something completely opposite than what you are.

Transgender people (gender dysphoria) their minds tell them they are one gender when in fact their body is the other gender.

As I understand it, though, the contemporary understanding of gender itself isn't purely physical.  As such, one could believe that their physical anatomy is correct, but that they identify with the gender traditionally associated with the opposing anatomy.

However that even works.

jmog Senior Member
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Wed, Oct 30, 2019 12:16 PM
posted by O-Trap

As I understand it, though, the contemporary understanding of gender itself isn't purely physical.  As such, one could believe that their physical anatomy is correct, but that they identify with the gender traditionally associated with the opposing anatomy.

However that even works.

Many people believe the "contemporary understanding" has changed due societal pressures and not really due to actual scientific information.

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Wed, Oct 30, 2019 5:21 PM
posted by jmog

Many people believe the "contemporary understanding" has changed due societal pressures and not really due to actual scientific information.

Well, if one delineates between gender and sex, suggesting that gender is a social construct and that sex is biologically determined, it wouldn't necessarily be adequate to evaluate it from a scientific perspective anyway, but rather a sociological one.

jmog Senior Member
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Sun, Nov 3, 2019 6:24 PM
posted by O-Trap

Well, if one delineates between gender and sex, suggesting that gender is a social construct and that sex is biologically determined, it wouldn't necessarily be adequate to evaluate it from a scientific perspective anyway, but rather a sociological one.

Well if that's the case then we can just change the scientific definition of things on a "whim" based on sociological pressures.

 

Until recent sociological pressures, the history of the definition of gender was the same as the biological sex of the human being. In old English they started using the word gender as the word sex started having the meaning we also still use today of intercourse between two humans. So at that time the word gender became a popular synonym for "biological sex". 

 

Just because we now have sociological pressures and people who believe that gender and biological sex are different from each other does not make it factual or scientifically true. 

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Mon, Nov 4, 2019 6:10 PM
posted by jmog

Well if that's the case then we can just change the scientific definition of things on a "whim" based on sociological pressures.

 

Until recent sociological pressures, the history of the definition of gender was the same as the biological sex of the human being. In old English they started using the word gender as the word sex started having the meaning we also still use today of intercourse between two humans. So at that time the word gender became a popular synonym for "biological sex". 

 

Just because we now have sociological pressures and people who believe that gender and biological sex are different from each other does not make it factual or scientifically true. 

You don't really have to convince me.  It's effectively like considering 'teenager' its own developmental phase.  We do it today, even though most of history doesn't really give credence to the notion.

I've mostly decided to avoid arguing with people over it.  You wanna call yourself quasigendered and only be attracted to people who identify as semi gendered?  You go right ahead.  I hope find some nutballaas crazy as you to grow old with. to be crazy with.

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Mon, Nov 4, 2019 7:19 PM
posted by O-Trap

I've mostly decided to avoid arguing with people over it.  You wanna call yourself quasigendered and only be attracted to people who identify as semi gendered?  You go right ahead.  I hope find some nutballaas crazy as you to grow old with. to be crazy with.

But as we all know that isn’t where it ends. Now it’s unisex bathrooms in schools, dudes beating the shit out of girls sports, drag queen library hour for children, etc. If they kept to their own little freak world then fine, but that’s not the reality.

geeblock Member
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Mon, Nov 4, 2019 7:31 PM

People are born with six toes, 3 nipples, and a whole bell curve of mutations. I don’t find it that hard to believe that a person can be born as the switch in the wrong position in the inside ie a man in a woman’s body or vise versa. Or someone who says they knew they were gay from their first memories. I don’t call that a mental illness but see it as more in the side of mutation or some type of biological/genetic thing. It took 25 years of teaching and working with thousands of children to gain a better understanding than I had coming from a small town in bfe 

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