posted by kizer permanenteIf nothing was inaccurate or misleading, why did Mueller not like what he had to say about it? It'd have to be one of those 2 you'd think?
Because Mueller looks like a dumbass or partisan hack for dragging this out for 2 years when he knew within 5 minutes it was bullshit
posted by kizer permanenteIf nothing was inaccurate or misleading, why did Mueller not like what he had to say about it? It'd have to be one of those 2 you'd think?
The better question is, if you or anyone still believes it is inaccurate, then why did Mueller say it wasn't inaccurate? Hopefully someone asks him why he was upset during his testimony. My guess based on Democrats grilling Barr today, is because he asked Barr to release 19 pages near the end of March and Barr didn't do it. Instead, Barr released the entire thing 3 weeks later, which included those 19 pages. If that is what the media is grasping onto then LOL.
posted by like_thatThe better question is, if you or anyone still believes it is inaccurate, then why did Mueller say it wasn't inaccurate? Hopefully someone asks him why he was upset during his testimony. My guess based on Democrats grilling Barr today, is because he asked Barr to release 19 pages near the end of March and Barr didn't do it. Instead, Barr released the entire thing 3 weeks later, which included those 19 pages. If that is what the media is grasping onto then LOL.
Yea I mean the entire redacted report is out there. If he had a problem with the letter (that Barr asked if he wanted to see) than he can shove it (his complaint seemed to be more with the public perception driven by the media). The dumbass display of idiots at the hearing today is enough to turn anyone off of politics.
posted by like_thatHopefully someone asks him why he was upset during his testimony.
According to Barr's testimony Mueller was upset at the press coverage of the summarized conclusions and wanted more released. Barr like you said saw no reason to release it piecemeal and released everything weeks later. I also saw Barr in his testimony said he wondered why Mueller did not just pick up the phone and call him. Which Barr ended up doing after receiving the letter.
The letter was a political hit job designed to be leaked at an opportune time in the future to paint a picture of Barr acting in a manner to provide the POTUS political cover.
Also I thought Mueller's body language indicated he highly pissed when he was jumped getting into his car by hostile press. I know we all would be and would probably not be able to risk the urge to tell the reporter to GFY. But I guess my political spider senses were tingling.
posted by like_thatThe better question is, if you or anyone still believes it is inaccurate, then why did Mueller say it wasn't inaccurate? Hopefully someone asks him why he was upset during his testimony. My guess based on Democrats grilling Barr today, is because he asked Barr to release 19 pages near the end of March and Barr didn't do it. Instead, Barr released the entire thing 3 weeks later, which included those 19 pages. If that is what the media is grasping onto then LOL.
Who created this thread?🤷♂️
posted by kizer permanenteWho created this thread?🤷♂️
lol I actually didn't know until now. This isn't a matter of second guessing the media though. Barr explained why Mueller was upset in a sworn statement. That seems like a very dumbass thing to lie about considering it could easily be refuted. If you're going to lie and put your career/reputation/legacy/etc on the line, it better be something that is hard to refute.
posted by majorsparkThe letter was a political hit job designed to be leaked at an opportune time in the future to paint a picture of Barr acting in a manner to provide the POTUS political cover.
I figured it was insurance if the POTUS or DOJ didn't release the full report. I also think, since no crime was proven, it's sour grapes over not being able to define the narrative and prosecute Trump in the court of public opinion.
There's also the possibility since Barr is looking into the foundations of the investigation, that the letter is a first step into discrediting Barr. And then Dems on the committee today all heard that dog whistle. The sudden eagerness to "impeach" Barr is kind of curious.
posted by gutThere's also the possibility since Barr is looking into the foundations of the investigation, that the letter is a first step into discrediting Barr. And then Dems on the committee today all heard that dog whistle. The sudden eagerness to "impeach" Barr is kind of curious.
You have to wonder why a guy of Barr's prior political reputation would subject himself to this. He does not strike me as a shill for Trump. Maybe he feels a calling to restore the integrity of the justice department and punish bad actors. We will see.
You got to love the irony of Senator Blumenthal questioning Barr's integrity and pronouncing history's harsh judgement upon him.
posted by majorsparkYou have to wonder why a guy of Barr's prior political reputation would subject himself to this. He does not strike me as a shill for Trump. Maybe he feels a calling to restore the integrity of the justice department and punish bad actors. We will see.
You got to love the irony of Senator Blumenthal questioning Barr's integrity and pronouncing history's harsh judgement upon him.
I agree that the takes that Bush 41's AG is suddenly a Trumpist shill is basically the worst take.
posted by majorsparkYou have to wonder why a guy of Barr's prior political reputation would subject himself to this. He does not strike me as a shill for Trump. Maybe he feels a calling to restore the integrity of the justice department and punish bad actors. We will see.
You got to love the irony of Senator Blumenthal questioning Barr's integrity and pronouncing history's harsh judgement upon him.
I actually just crossed paths with him a couple weeks ago in DC. He is tiny. /coolstory
posted by majorspark
The letter was a political hit job designed to be leaked at an opportune time in the future to paint a picture of Barr acting in a manner to provide the POTUS political cover.
It was a deep state leak, perfectly time as usual, designed to protect themselves and provide (weak) firepower for the left in their never-ending quest to resist the disruptor. It is fucking sickening.
Barr’s statement was spot on: “we have to stop using the judicial process as a political weapon”.
All the major news outlets reporting on the Trump economy........WUT?
My guess is that they are actually reporting the news positively for DT just so when there is a downturn they can blast him.
You can always tell when people don't understand how unemployment is calculated lol. I see a lot of people saying unemployment is very high, the same people just have 4 jobs. Now... underemployment could be used here.But they're not counting a same person as 4 diferent people.
posted by kizer permanenteYou can always tell when people don't understand how unemployment is calculated lol. I see a lot of people saying unemployment is very high, the same people just have 4 jobs. Now... underemployment could be used here.But they're not counting a same person as 4 diferent people.
Regardless since Obama underscored his jobs report for years.....that metric makes Trumps numbers about 3 times better then tue previous administration
posted by QuakerOats
It was a deep state leak, perfectly time as usual, designed to protect themselves and provide (weak) firepower for the left in their never-ending quest to resist the disruptor. It is fucking sickening.
Barr’s statement was spot on: “we have to stop using the judicial process as a political weapon”.
You are absolutely batshit nuts. I don’t doubt your intelligence, but you are so consumed by conspiracy craziness that it does you no good here. You sound like Alex Jones.
Then tell us who leaked it to WAPO?
posted by QuakerOatsThen tell us who leaked it to WAPO?
I don't know who leaked it. I'm talking about this "deep state" stuff. Specifically the way deep state is used by the Trump/Brietbart/Alex Jones crowd - a nefarious, highly organized conspiratorial organization of beaurocrats who work in sync to undermine Trump's presidency. The problem with that, like every other outlandish conspiracy is that human nature would absolutely prevent such a large entity from operating in secret. It's never been done. So while government beaucracy is frustrating for sure, calling everything that doesn't go Trump's way "fake news" or "work of the deep state" is either crazy or sad.
Not sure that anyone is characterizing everything in that manner. But in this case, with the deep state starting to feel the heat, they obviously leaked it in order to assist with the pushback on those willing to drain the swamp, if at all possible.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI'm talking about this "deep state" stuff.
Why are you so rattled by the term "deep state"? Is it just who is using it? Or does it just sound scary? Its really not any different than "the establishment" or "the mainstream media" in their literal meanings. The latter two have been used for decades by well respected political commentators. To me all these terms are just descriptive of like minded groups of individuals acting in their own political self interest within the powers they hold in government or media. Not some vast conspiracy. Sometimes they act legally sometimes not.
Chuck Schumer the minority leader of the senate once warned Trump that intelligence agencies "have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you", when Trump criticized them. There is not a "deeper" part of the state than its intelligence organizations. They understandably demand the highest levels of secrecy from the people they serve. But also should not be feared when criticized. I believe this term "deep state" picked up traction in the conservative media with Schumer's comment.
As for the leak. Strategic leaks are as old as Washington. And yes at times they are contrived in smoke filled rooms by groups of state actors.
To deny the fact that there are factions of people in DC that run black ops stuff for political reasons is crazy. Shit happens
