2020 Presidential Election thread

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  • Fri, Oct 18, 2019 1:28 PM
    posted by CenterBHSFan

    Well, whoever "wins" will also be robbed. Let's face it, everybody's screwed.

    Pretty much. Except for the blind partisans on whichever side is given the presidency. They'll tell themselves they're winning, regardless of what is actually happening. Some people on this site (as well as any social media site or other corner of the Internet) have proven to be VERY proficient at playing that "my perception >>>>>>>>>> reality" game to the degree they legit are capable of ignoring ANYTHING that goes against what they want to hear, or immediately deflecting to a real or perceived issue on the other side. Whether they're screwed or not, they'll go out of their way to tell you they're not!

    As for the election, it all really comes down to whether the D's candidate has the same "get people who don't regularly vote to the polls" effect that Obama did. When you consider that roughly 50% of eligible voters didn't turn out in '16, there's a lot of room for the eventual nominee to at least be notably superior to Hillary at getting people to care enough to vote. And with the swing states being the only ones that really matter, that makes it trickier for them, as a swing state is a swing state because it, overall, is more diverse and balanced than a state that's primarily left or right --- which, to me, would make it tougher for some goofy far-left progressive to get sufficient support, regardless of how weary a lot of people are with Trump and his wacky ways, because moderates would be more likely to side with him than the person wanting to increase their taxes and/or try to push through a "no guns for you" law.

    Fri, Oct 18, 2019 2:11 PM

     

     

     

     

    The trend is your friend!

    Fri, Oct 18, 2019 2:14 PM

    If Trump would just be an adult, he probably would win in a landslide.  Instead he acts like a 3rd grade bully and has a cloud of corruption swirling around him.

    And he still might win if the Dems put up a far left socialist.  Not sure Biden can beat him any more.

    If Biden gets pressured to drop out (because maybe donors start abandoning him), that could open the door for Buttigieg.  Otherwise, I don't see how Warren doesn't win the nomination.

    Fri, Oct 18, 2019 4:37 PM

     

     

    Hillary says Tulsi is an ‘asset’ being ‘groomed’ by Moscow. 

     

    What a way to end the week.  LOL

    Fri, Oct 18, 2019 5:55 PM
    posted by QuakerOats

     

     

    Hillary says Tulsi is an ‘asset’ being ‘groomed’ by Moscow. 

     

    What a way to end the week.  LOL

    Tulsi ripped her on twitter. She’s dead within a week.

    Fri, Oct 18, 2019 6:10 PM
    posted by iclfan2

    Tulsi ripped her on twitter. She’s dead within a week.

    This is what is truly disgusting about propaganda arm of the Dem's media.  Tulsi in the debate called out, CNN And NYT [I think], for associating her with Russia.  I forget the exact context, but here comes Hillary to echo it almost verbatim and add credibility and legs to the smear.

    Which begs the question of where and how that story originates.  Tulsi is way down in the polls - why is she suddenly being attacked by NYT and Clinton?  I can only guess she may be a leading VP candidate and the DNC kingmakers don't want that.

    Just bizarre.  I assume this is fake news, but I can't understand why.  And, incidentally, it appears calling someone a Russian agent is a new addition to the "identity politics" toolkit.  New trigger word for herding useful idiots.

    Fri, Oct 18, 2019 6:32 PM
    posted by gut

    This is what is truly disgusting about propaganda arm of the Dem's media.  Tulsi in the debate called out, CNN And NYT [I think], for associating her with Russia.  I forget the exact context, but here comes Hillary to echo it almost verbatim and add credibility and legs to the smear.

    Which begs the question of where and how that story originates.  Tulsi is way down in the polls - why is she suddenly being attacked by NYT and Clinton?  I can only guess she may be a leading VP candidate and the DNC kingmakers don't want that.

    Just bizarre.  I assume this is fake news, but I can't understand why.  And, incidentally, it appears calling someone a Russian agent is a new addition to the "identity politics" toolkit.  New trigger word for herding useful idiots.

    Yeah, with her a non-entity in the polls, her being a potential VP nod would be the only reason I could gather her being attacked by Clinton. Logically, she'd somewhat fit in with Biden (more moderate than the crowd in general and a ticket that wouldn't turn off moderates like a number of combinations would...although it'd also make the far-lefters gnash their teeth about how their party "betrayed" them) and could be shoehorned into another candidate's ticket as a moderate counterbalance to their loopy overly-left ways in an inverted R 2008, when that party's fears of McCain being too moderate caused them to counterbalance him with a representative of the batshit crazy element of their party in Palin.

    But still, all of that is, as far as I know, conjecture that I might be making up out of my ass. Hillary just randomly attacking a low-polling contestant who's going nowhere in the race to be the D nominee is...well, one of many weird ass news stories out of this year in politics, but it's ONE of them!

    Sat, Oct 19, 2019 4:28 AM

    Well, I think it's because a lot of republican/conservative types actually like Tulsi's foreign policy ideas - which rocks the boat on the establishment's habits. I've even seen republicans and libertarians say that she would be a good VP or a Sec of State. 
    This election is even more topsy turvy than what we saw in '16

    Sat, Oct 19, 2019 1:35 PM

    Could this be an elaborate scheme to give Tulsi a bump?  This little tift is getting her a lot of attention, mostly positive.

    Because I know Hillary has had some delusional and crazy ideas about how she lost 2016, but calling Tulsi and Stein "russian assets" is completely out of leftfield nutjob.  Throwing Stein in there makes me think she's actually serious since she probably blames Stein for losing (eventhough Stein didn't get enough votes to affect the outcome in any state).

    Biden is done, but probably won't bow out gracefully.  Bernie and Warren are too crazy.  And America just isn't ready for a gay couple in the WH.  That leaves Tulsi as pretty much the only option, so this kind of smells like a coordinated "intervention" to lift her campaign.  At this point, Tulsi is probably the Dems best chance to re-take the WH.

    Hillary is still not popular, and this gives Tulsi someone to attack.....someone who's not in the race and probably pulls their punches [if it is actually all orchestrated].  This has the potential to suck all the oxygen out of the air of all the other campaigns.

    Sat, Oct 19, 2019 1:40 PM
    posted by CenterBHSFan

    Well, I think it's because a lot of republican/conservative types actually like Tulsi's foreign policy ideas - which rocks the boat on the establishment's habits.

    Could be something to that.

    But Hillary actually floats a very obvious idea that I can't believe hasn't really been tried: Funnel $100M to a 3rd party candidate who can pick-off just 2% of the opponents votes....and that's enough to tip the swing states in your favor.

    If Warren isn't telling the tech guys behind closed doors that she's not serious and just pandering....they may use their platforms to subtley sabatogae her.

    Sun, Oct 20, 2019 2:18 PM
    posted by gut

    Could this be an elaborate scheme to give Tulsi a bump?  This little tift is getting her a lot of attention, mostly positive.

    Because I know Hillary has had some delusional and crazy ideas about how she lost 2016, but calling Tulsi and Stein "russian assets" is completely out of leftfield nutjob.  Throwing Stein in there makes me think she's actually serious since she probably blames Stein for losing (eventhough Stein didn't get enough votes to affect the outcome in any state).

    Biden is done, but probably won't bow out gracefully.  Bernie and Warren are too crazy.  And America just isn't ready for a gay couple in the WH.  That leaves Tulsi as pretty much the only option, so this kind of smells like a coordinated "intervention" to lift her campaign.  At this point, Tulsi is probably the Dems best chance to re-take the WH.

    Hillary is still not popular, and this gives Tulsi someone to attack.....someone who's not in the race and probably pulls their punches [if it is actually all orchestrated].  This has the potential to suck all the oxygen out of the air of all the other campaigns.

    This.....Clinton cant rig another DNC primary like they did vs.  Bernie but just blame it on Russia this time and it ends the same

    Mon, Oct 21, 2019 8:01 AM
    posted by gut

    Could this be an elaborate scheme to give Tulsi a bump?  This little tift is getting her a lot of attention, mostly positive.

    Do you really think that anyone named Clinton would do anything at all that would benefit anyone besides someone named Clinton?

    No way, no how.

    They don't do anything altruistic or to help anyone or anything beside themselves.

    Mon, Oct 21, 2019 8:36 AM
    posted by wkfan

    Do you really think that anyone named Clinton would do anything at all that would benefit anyone besides someone named Clinton?

    No way, no how.

    They don't do anything altruistic or to help anyone or anything beside themselves.


    Tue, Oct 22, 2019 2:09 AM

    Apparently Trump has more than doubled Obama’s war chest at this point in the game for re-election.  That’s a lot of funds to do some damage. Luckily for the Dems they have the media make up for their lack of funding. Although, you can make an argument the media helped Trump last election. They are worse than they were in 2015/2016, so 2020 is going to be very interesting. I’m just happy I am overseas and don’t have to see a lot of the bullshit.

    Tue, Oct 22, 2019 9:28 AM
    posted by like_that

    Apparently Trump has more than doubled Obama’s war chest at this point in the game for re-election.  That’s a lot of funds to do some damage. Luckily for the Dems they have the media make up for their lack of funding. Although, you can make an argument the media helped Trump last election. They are worse than they were in 2015/2016, so 2020 is going to be very interesting. I’m just happy I am overseas and don’t have to see a lot of the bullshit.

    True. Trump does have a head start. But, Clinton had more funds in 2016...and that didn't work out. 

    Plus, if you add up all the funds that are going to Ds, I think it is close to the Trump number. 

    Also, while you may miss this shitshow over the next 13 months, enjoy the fucked up Italian system where the government is on verge of collapse every few weeks. 

    Tue, Oct 22, 2019 9:39 AM
    posted by ptown_trojans_1

    True. Trump does have a head start. But, Clinton had more funds in 2016...and that didn't work out. 

    Plus, if you add up all the funds that are going to Ds, I think it is close to the Trump number. 

    Also, while you may miss this shitshow over the next 13 months, enjoy the fucked up Italian system where the government is on verge of collapse every few weeks. 

    Even with the Italian government being trash, nobody goes full politard here and allows it to consume their lives. That’s more/less what I was getting to.

    Tue, Oct 22, 2019 9:41 AM
    posted by like_that

    Even with the Italian government being trash, nobody goes full politard here and allows it to consume their lives. That’s more/less what I was getting to.

    Very true. In the end, you are in Italy...

    Tue, Oct 22, 2019 5:23 PM

    1.) Trump is still outpacing the dems, even when you add them up together, with all of the free media that he gets. He seems to somehow make negative attention work for him. Or rather, he's done that before. Not sure if he can pull it off this time.

    2.) Right now everybody who wants a D* is divided up, albeit unevenly. It's coming down to the centrists/independents vs the progressives/woke. As many people have termed it - the battle for the soul of the democrat party.
    * I couldn't help it, it was too easy

     

    Tue, Oct 22, 2019 11:05 PM

    Gotta love Biden.

    On Tuesday Trump tweeted: 'All Republicans must remember what they are witnessing here - a lynching'.  Biden pounced on the chance to eviscerate Trump tweeting, 'Impeachment is not "lynching", it is part of our Constitution', going so far as to call the comparison 'abhorrent' and 'despicable'.

     

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