2020 Presidential Election thread

posted by geeblock

Lol this is like a repeat of the 2016 but her emails. When you don’t have any policy for healthcare, covid, no stimulus plan, no policies at all for that matter, you just have to destrqct people with conspiracies and try to convince them the other guy is worse than me 

Hunter Biden clearly profited off of his Dad. Fact. He’s not up for election. Also fact, so could be a nothing burger. It’s not a conspiracy the stuff happened, it’s a question of how much did Joe profit or know (since he denied ever talking to Hunter about it). The 3 year Russian hoax against Trump was worse, but you don’t care. 

Most people like their healthcare... the right has tried to pass stimulus, the Dems have filibustered it (which they say the filibuster is racist), literally a day or two ago. But please go on.

posted by iclfan2

Hunter Biden clearly profited off of his Dad. Fact. He’s not up for election. Also fact, so could be a nothing burger. It’s not a conspiracy the stuff happened, it’s a question of how much did Joe profit or know (since he denied ever talking to Hunter about it). The 3 year Russian hoax against Trump was worse, but you don’t care. 

Most people like their healthcare... the right has tried to pass stimulus, the Dems have filibustered it (which they say the filibuster is racist), literally a day or two ago. But please go on.

You guys claim I live in a bubble. wow. 

Yes, Hunter clearly profited from his dad. How much did Joe know or profit from it? Well, we know he did not profit from it because he has released his tax returns and we can see he did not. What else do we know about it, not much because it is very unclear how much information is actually legit vs. not, even other posters on here agree on that. 

It should be a wash anyways, because if it did matter, the fact the Trump kids and Trump organization is also making money overseas and even here in the US would also raise a lot of red flags. We do not know anything really about how the Trumps could be using the office of the Presidency to profit because we do not legally have any of their tax or financial situation. If posters on here really cared about kids profiting off their dad, they would mention the Trumps, yet barely a mention on this board.

Is it worse than Russia? Not right now as there is no one in jail or under trial like the Russia information or scandal. Until the campaign manager for Biden goes to jail, kinda hard to say it is worse than Russia. 

On healthcare, wtf are you talking about? McConnell is the one saying they do not have the votes to even consider any other version of what they already passed. If the two chambers pass two different versions, they are supposed to have a conference and hammer out the details. 

At least crazy Nancy is willing to play ball and come to some sort of agreement of numbers and aid. McConnell only cares about the Court and has pretty much he is not willing to pass anything before the election. Blaming the Ds in the Senate is just being a partisan hack. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

On healthcare, wtf are you talking about? McConnell is the one saying they do not have the votes to even consider any other version of what they already passed. At least crazy Nancy is willing to play ball and come to some sort of agreement of numbers and aid. McConnell only cares about the Court and has pretty much he is not willing to pass anything before the election. Blaming the Ds in the Senate is just being a partisan hack. 

posted by iclfan2
I was talking about stimulus. The senate just tried to DISCUSS a $500B bill and the democrats in the senate filibustered it. They tried a month ago and the same thing. Nancy’s stimulus bill is a fucking joke with all sorts of pork in it. Marijuana shit, post office shit, come on. 

At least have a conference committee to hammer out the differences? That is the norm. McConnell is not even willing to entertain that option. He is no where to be found in the House and White House talks. It is their version or nothing, which is not how it works between the two chambers. Come on, you should know that watching Schoolhouse Rock. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

At least have a conference committee to hammer out the differences? That is the norm. McConnell is not even willing to entertain that option. He is no where to be found in the House and White House talks. It is their version or nothing, which is not how it works between the two chambers. Come on, you should know that watching Schoolhouse Rock. 

Yea, the house bill is garbage. K. It’s all partisan, so quit pretending. They don’t want a bill passed until the election either.

posted by iclfan2

Yea, the house bill is garbage. K. It’s all partisan, so quit pretending. They don’t want a bill passed until the election either.

Correct. House bill is insane, but so is the Senate one. So, stop just laying blame on the Ds. McConnell is just as guilty. 

posted by geeblock

Lol this is like a repeat of the 2016 but her emails. When you don’t have any policy for healthcare, covid, no stimulus plan, no policies at all for that matter, you just have to destrqct people with conspiracies and try to convince them the other guy is worse than me 

Are you blaming Trump for no second stimulus plan. The democrats won agree because it would help Trump. They said just yesterday a plan is in place they will probably pass after the election. Democrats are the ones playing politics with a second stim

posted by sportchampps

Are you blaming Trump for no second stimulus plan. The democrats won agree because it would help Trump. They said just yesterday a plan is in place they will probably pass after the election. Democrats are the ones playing politics with a second stim

Again, so is McConnell and the Senate. They have said the same, they will not even entertain any discussion between the House and the White House. 

Ds and Rs really do not want anything passed until the lame duck. 

So what’s the deal with Tony Bobulinski??? What are the Biden defenders saying about this???

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yes, Hunter clearly profited from his dad. How much did Joe know or profit from it? Well, we know he did not profit from it because he has released his tax returns and we can see he did not. 

That's not a defense.  He may not have declared the income, and the rumor is the DOJ is investigating tax fraud (which would be when, you know, you don't declare the income on your return).  Or the money could be parked in a shell corporation, legally, where it's paid taxes on the income but Biden has no income because he's received no dividends or payouts.

Also, Hunter is a loser.  He had no qualifications for this money other than being son of the VP.  Trump's kids are running his business, and related businesses, which have and have had legitimate overseas operations for years.  Getting more than double what a Fortune 50 pays its Board members is apples-to-oranges.

About those tax returns....Biden has some $14M of income from S-corps Celticcapri and Giacoppa.  That money is allegedly from book deals and speaking engagements, which would be a really effective way of hiding or washing money.

posted by sportchampps

So what’s the deal with Tony Bobulinski??? What are the Biden defenders saying about this???

Will Trump release his tax returns and his business dealings? Does he have a bank account in China?If it is bad for the Biden's, why is it not for Trump and his family?  

posted by iclfan2

Hunter Biden clearly profited off of his Dad. Fact. He’s not up for election. Also fact, so could be a nothing burger. It’s not a conspiracy the stuff happened, it’s a question of how much did Joe profit or know (since he denied ever talking to Hunter about it). The 3 year Russian hoax against Trump was worse, but you don’t care. 

Most people like their healthcare... the right has tried to pass stimulus, the Dems have filibustered it (which they say the filibuster is racist), literally a day or two ago. But please go on.

Didn’t Mitch McConnell just say he stopped it? 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Will Trump release his tax returns and his business dealings? Does he have a bank account in China?If it is bad for the Biden's, why is it not for Trump and his family?  

Bro 

posted by geeblock

Didn’t Mitch McConnell just say he stopped it? 

Also this is identical to the 3 year Trump Russian hoax but please continue and I didn’t care about either one. U won’t find one post by me about it 

posted by gut

That's not a defense.  He may not have declared the income, and the rumor is the DOJ is investigating tax fraud (which would be when, you know, you don't declare the income on your return).  Or the money could be parked in a shell corporation, legally, where it's paid taxes on the income

Also, Hunter is a loser.  He had no qualifications for this money other than being son of the VP.  Trump's kids are running his business, and related businesses, which have and have had legitimate overseas operations for years.  Getting more than double what a Fortune 50 pays its Board members is apples-to-oranges.

About those tax returns....Biden has some $14M of income from S-corps Celticcapri and Giacoppa.  That money is allegedly from book deals and speaking engagements, which would be a really effective way of hiding or washing money.

It is more of a defense than anything Trump can say. You know that. 

If they are in fact looking into that, that would be a story...if they really were. Rumors are just that...rumors. 

I'm not saying Biden family is clean in any way, just that this board does not apply the same logic to Trump and his family. 

Please show me the qualifications for trumps kids for the money they make for whatever they do.. how much has trumps golf courses made from his golf? Two of the same coins just different sides. The middle class still loses 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Will Trump release his tax returns and his business dealings? Does he have a bank account in China?If it is bad for the Biden's, why is it not for Trump and his family?  

Whataboutism. Typical 

posted by sportchampps

Whataboutism. Typical 

He actually said if he was elected he would show them no? Is this a 10 year audit? 

posted by sportchampps

Whataboutism. Typical 

OOO. Nice comeback.

Yeah, questioning the unknown nature of the Trump family financial situation is whataboutism. 

I mean, how do we know Trump is not cutting business deals right now while in office? 

This board is silent on anything to do with Trump and his business interests. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

It is more of a defense than anything Trump can say. You know that. 

If they are in fact looking into that, that would be a story...if they really were. Rumors are just that...rumors. 

I'm not saying Biden family is clean in any way, just that this board does not apply the same logic to Trump and his family. 

Bullshit.  For starters, your claim is based off tax returns NYT claims to have, but no one but them has seen.  The same "news" organization that has been caught, hundreds of times, playing fast and loose with sources and printing stories that proved to be meritless.

Tax returns tell you some things, but they're not going to prove or disprove anything.  This seems to be a meme that's been floating around the left to dupe the ignorant and gullible that Trump's tax returns are hiding a smoking gun. 

The DOJ has confirmed they have the laptop. They have said it is not Russian disinformation.  You have two people - on the record, by name (barely one fucking case of a single named source, much less two, in thousands of Trump stories) - corroborating various aspects of the story.  Questionable characters and motivations?  Sure.  But there is REAL smoke here, unlike what we were subjected to for 3 years of bullshit Russian collusions stories.