ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Mar 15, 2010 9:13am
Interesting and alarming NYT article this morning on the growing cost and need to replace the aging water sewage system in this country. As someone who grew up in Portsmouth, near New Boston, I know the pain of constant water pipe breaks.
Infrastructure, an area that is not a popular or sexy term is desperately needed in much of the country.
I'd argue that infrastructure needs to gain more attention than healthcare and even financial reform.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/15/us/15water.html?ref=todayspaper&pagewanted=all.
Infrastructure, an area that is not a popular or sexy term is desperately needed in much of the country.
I'd argue that infrastructure needs to gain more attention than healthcare and even financial reform.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/15/us/15water.html?ref=todayspaper&pagewanted=all.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Mar 15, 2010 10:47am
I'm a head of the game with my in-house infrastructure ...... replace my complete old galvanized pipe even inside the walls with …………PEX
Easy, quick and less costly that copper or plastic…
Easy, quick and less costly that copper or plastic…
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Mar 15, 2010 11:26am
My Dad is a public utilities director for a city here in Ohio.
He complains about the same thing quite often.
However, he was lucky in that they just completed major upgrades, renovations, etc., of the wastewater and water treatment plants. They look absolutely beautiful, and will be more than adequate for quite awhile.
However, he dreads winter because of the constant water line breaks. He can essentially only replace when they break, not the money for preventative measures.
He complains about the same thing quite often.
However, he was lucky in that they just completed major upgrades, renovations, etc., of the wastewater and water treatment plants. They look absolutely beautiful, and will be more than adequate for quite awhile.
However, he dreads winter because of the constant water line breaks. He can essentially only replace when they break, not the money for preventative measures.
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BCSbunk
Posts: 972
Mar 15, 2010 11:31am
Socialism will not fly we need more money for our military budget we are not secure in this nation.ptown_trojans_1 wrote: Interesting and alarming NYT article this morning on the growing cost and need to replace the aging water sewage system in this country. As someone who grew up in Portsmouth, near New Boston, I know the pain of constant water pipe breaks.
Infrastructure, an area that is not a popular or sexy term is desperately needed in much of the country.
I'd argue that infrastructure needs to gain more attention than healthcare and even financial reform.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/15/us/15water.html?ref=todayspaper&pagewanted=all.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Mar 15, 2010 11:40am
Almost all of our infrastructure needs replacing since it's been ignored for so long. Our highways are still serviceable but are getting harder to maintain, the electric grid could use some attention, our internet/cable/fiber networks are pathetic, and obviously our water systems are old.
Wonderful. But yeah, let's keep cutting taxes.
Wonderful. But yeah, let's keep cutting taxes.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Mar 15, 2010 11:41am
Great. Want to do that for the whole street?Belly35 wrote: I'm a head of the game with my in-house infrastructure ...... replace my complete old galvanized pipe even inside the walls with …………PEX
Easy, quick and less costly that copper or plastic…
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bman618
Posts: 151
Mar 15, 2010 12:39pm
BCS, We spend more money on defense than almost all the countries of the world put together. We do not need to be spending more on defense. Actually, we need to become more efficient and spend about 15-20 percent less. I love how both sides want to consistently spend more money on their holy cows, republicans on defense and democrats on social programs, and then argue about how the other guys cow needs to be cut. We need to get our financial books in order or we won't have much of either pretty soon.
As for national infrastructure, we need to start investing in it. What will help our investment is getting this economy going again by producing things. We can have people start saving again and that drives capital improvements.
As for national infrastructure, we need to start investing in it. What will help our investment is getting this economy going again by producing things. We can have people start saving again and that drives capital improvements.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Mar 15, 2010 12:48pm
I'm fairly positive that BCS was being sarcastic.bman618 wrote: BCS, We spend more money on defense than almost all the countries of the world put together. We do not need to be spending more on defense. Actually, we need to become more efficient and spend about 15-20 percent less. I love how both sides want to consistently spend more money on their holy cows, republicans on defense and democrats on social programs, and then argue about how the other guys cow needs to be cut. We need to get our financial books in order or we won't have much of either pretty soon.
As for national infrastructure, we need to start investing in it. What will help our investment is getting this economy going again by producing things. We can have people start saving again and that drives capital improvements.
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BCSbunk
Posts: 972
Mar 15, 2010 1:54pm
Yes, I think I might have violated Poe's law though.I Wear Pants wrote:I'm fairly positive that BCS was being sarcastic.bman618 wrote: BCS, We spend more money on defense than almost all the countries of the world put together. We do not need to be spending more on defense. Actually, we need to become more efficient and spend about 15-20 percent less. I love how both sides want to consistently spend more money on their holy cows, republicans on defense and democrats on social programs, and then argue about how the other guys cow needs to be cut. We need to get our financial books in order or we won't have much of either pretty soon.
As for national infrastructure, we need to start investing in it. What will help our investment is getting this economy going again by producing things. We can have people start saving again and that drives capital improvements.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Mar 15, 2010 4:23pm
More likely, sarcasm should be reserved for those with more advanced writing skill levels.
Quint
Posts: 737
Mar 15, 2010 4:28pm
I've been to numerous American Society of Civil Engineers Conferences, and it is always alarming to see the international grades the United States receives year in and year out for our infrastructure. It is sad to see our water treatment programs and facilities in this country continually get grades in the D- range.
http://www.asce.org/reportcard/2009/grades.cfm
http://www.asce.org/reportcard/2009/grades.cfm
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Mar 15, 2010 5:37pm
This post coming from you....oh the irony...with a capital I.queencitybuckeye wrote: More likely, sarcasm should be reserved for those with more advanced writing skill levels.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Mar 15, 2010 5:42pm
^^^Footie...Do you need to get laid?
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Mar 15, 2010 5:48pm
That's because the sheeple don't care about infrastructure. It won't buy anyone votes to say we are going to spend how every many billion on infrastructure, it's much easier to spend that money on a social program.Quint wrote: I've been to numerous American Society of Civil Engineers Conferences, and it is always alarming to see the international grades the United States receives year in and year out for our infrastructure. It is sad to see our water treatment programs and facilities in this country continually get grades in the D- range.
http://www.asce.org/reportcard/2009/grades.cfm
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Mar 15, 2010 7:19pm
Well I mean infrastructure investments are social programs.tk421 wrote:That's because the sheeple don't care about infrastructure. It won't buy anyone votes to say we are going to spend how every many billion on infrastructure, it's much easier to spend that money on a social program.Quint wrote: I've been to numerous American Society of Civil Engineers Conferences, and it is always alarming to see the international grades the United States receives year in and year out for our infrastructure. It is sad to see our water treatment programs and facilities in this country continually get grades in the D- range.
http://www.asce.org/reportcard/2009/grades.cfm
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Mar 15, 2010 7:29pm
I mean health care, SS, etc. When's the last time you saw a politician run on a platform of infrastructure repairs? It's not a sexy vote getting thing.I Wear Pants wrote:Well I mean infrastructure investments are social programs.tk421 wrote:That's because the sheeple don't care about infrastructure. It won't buy anyone votes to say we are going to spend how every many billion on infrastructure, it's much easier to spend that money on a social program.Quint wrote: I've been to numerous American Society of Civil Engineers Conferences, and it is always alarming to see the international grades the United States receives year in and year out for our infrastructure. It is sad to see our water treatment programs and facilities in this country continually get grades in the D- range.
http://www.asce.org/reportcard/2009/grades.cfm
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Mar 15, 2010 8:08pm
Who did the highways? That's probably the last dude.tk421 wrote:I mean health care, SS, etc. When's the last time you saw a politician run on a platform of infrastructure repairs? It's not a sexy vote getting thing.I Wear Pants wrote:Well I mean infrastructure investments are social programs.tk421 wrote:That's because the sheeple don't care about infrastructure. It won't buy anyone votes to say we are going to spend how every many billion on infrastructure, it's much easier to spend that money on a social program.Quint wrote: I've been to numerous American Society of Civil Engineers Conferences, and it is always alarming to see the international grades the United States receives year in and year out for our infrastructure. It is sad to see our water treatment programs and facilities in this country continually get grades in the D- range.
http://www.asce.org/reportcard/2009/grades.cfm
The rural electrification thing way, way back when was probably a big voting issue too.
If any of those things tried to get passed today they'd be met with screams of "socialism" from the right. Because, electricity and roads didn't help this country at all.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Mar 15, 2010 9:34pm
That was my point. No D or R really pushes it. Ed Randell of Penn. is the only one that comes to mind.tk421 wrote:I mean health care, SS, etc. When's the last time you saw a politician run on a platform of infrastructure repairs? It's not a sexy vote getting thing.I Wear Pants wrote:Well I mean infrastructure investments are social programs.tk421 wrote:That's because the sheeple don't care about infrastructure. It won't buy anyone votes to say we are going to spend how every many billion on infrastructure, it's much easier to spend that money on a social program.Quint wrote: I've been to numerous American Society of Civil Engineers Conferences, and it is always alarming to see the international grades the United States receives year in and year out for our infrastructure. It is sad to see our water treatment programs and facilities in this country continually get grades in the D- range.
http://www.asce.org/reportcard/2009/grades.cfm
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Mar 15, 2010 9:44pm
Well, if a few more bridges tumble into the Mississippi River, some people might think it sexy.tk421 wrote:That's because the sheeple don't care about infrastructure. It won't buy anyone votes to say we are going to spend how every many billion on infrastructure, it's much easier to spend that money on a social program.Quint wrote: I've been to numerous American Society of Civil Engineers Conferences, and it is always alarming to see the international grades the United States receives year in and year out for our infrastructure. It is sad to see our water treatment programs and facilities in this country continually get grades in the D- range.
http://www.asce.org/reportcard/2009/grades.cfm
What's really sad...all the pissed away hundreds of billions of dollars on the clusterfuck in Iraq. Talk about pissin away money we didn't have.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Mar 15, 2010 9:59pm
Yeah, I know. Instead of spending all that money to rebuild Iraqi infrastructure that we blew up, we could be fixing ours.Footwedge wrote:Well, if a few more bridges tumble into the Mississippi River, some people might think it sexy.tk421 wrote:That's because the sheeple don't care about infrastructure. It won't buy anyone votes to say we are going to spend how every many billion on infrastructure, it's much easier to spend that money on a social program.Quint wrote: I've been to numerous American Society of Civil Engineers Conferences, and it is always alarming to see the international grades the United States receives year in and year out for our infrastructure. It is sad to see our water treatment programs and facilities in this country continually get grades in the D- range.
http://www.asce.org/reportcard/2009/grades.cfm
What's really sad...all the pissed away hundreds of billions of dollars on the clusterfuck in Iraq. Talk about pissin away money we didn't have.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Mar 15, 2010 11:46pm
I think this is really one of the issues where both sides can agree that it needs more attention, and money on the federal, state and local levels.
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Mar 16, 2010 1:01am
Eisenhower back in the 50's.I Wear Pants wrote:
Who did the highways? That's probably the last dude.
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Mar 16, 2010 1:21am
States and municipalities are welcome to raise bonds or taxes to fix the infrastructure. The federal government doesn't have to have a hand in everything we need. I can just see some of you looking at a photo of Obama saying, 'Daddy, the pipes are getting old, better break out the credit card again.'
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Mar 16, 2010 7:23am
For economic, as well as security reasons. He wanted citizens to have a way out of the cities in case of a Soviet nuclear attack.dwccrew wrote:Eisenhower back in the 50's.I Wear Pants wrote:
Who did the highways? That's probably the last dude.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Mar 16, 2010 7:25am
The problem is cities and states are stretched so thin, and the infrastructure problems are so deep that the federal government is the only player that can come in a pay for massive, massive fixes.Cleveland Buck wrote: States and municipalities are welcome to raise bonds or taxes to fix the infrastructure. The federal government doesn't have to have a hand in everything we need. I can just see some of you looking at a photo of Obama saying, 'Daddy, the pipes are getting old, better break out the credit card again.'
The feds should be the last resort of course, but it should still be an option.