Series62 wrote:

Gblock wrote: i dont believe jesus is god...i believe he is the son of god

John 10:30; Jesus the son of God said, "I and my Father are one."

I John 5:7; "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

John 1:1; "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

A word of warning for you, read;
Revelation 22:18-19

different translations use different words in these versus based upon interpretations of other hebrew words. I m not going to get into the whole argument. I use the king james bible.The words Trinity, triune, Jehovah-Jesus, God-man, are not in the Scriptures. We nowhere find the expression God the Son, but always the Son of God; nowhere God the Holy Spirit, but the spirit of God, or the Holy Spirit. The expressions first person, second person, third person, three persons, are not found. Now if the very words, which are necessary to express the doctrine, are not in the Scriptures, how can we suppose the doctrine itself to be there? If the sacred writers meant to teach this doctrine, how is it possible they should not sometimes have used the words which are now used in regard to it?

I just dont believe that god and jesus are the same person. If jesus was god he wouldnt have been able to die. and that kind of defeats the pupose.....the bible also says that no one has ever seen god. lots of people have seen jesus.....bible also says that he sent his ONLY BEGOTTON SON.....to pay for our sin....

those are just my beliefs i know plenty of people who believe in the trinity i just dont. i dont think you can have it both ways. he is either god or hes not IMO.
i googled this real quick.
1) John 17:3. This is life eternal, that they might know THEE, THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. This is the language of our Lord himself in prayer. Now that he was at prayer proves that he could not be God for God never prays. But besides this, he strongly asserts that the Father only is God. It could not be asserted more strongly. It never has been asserted more strongly.


(2) Mark 13:32. But of that day and hour knoweth no man; no, not the angels which are in heaven; NEITHER THE SON; but the Father. This is the language of our Lord. he declares that he does not know the time of that day and hour; that the Father only knows it. Therefore the Father only can be God; for God knows all things.


(3) I Timothy 2:5. There is one God and, one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. What can assert more positively than this, that Jesus is not the one God? If not, then there is no Trinity.


(4) I Corinthians 8:6. But to us there is but ONE GOD, THE FATHER, of whom are all things and we in Him; and ONE LORD, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and we by him. This text is very positive. It declares that Jesus is our Lord; but that the Father only is our God. Can language be devised which shall declare it more positively?
(5) Ephesians 4:5-6. ONE LORD, one faith, one baptism, ONE GOD AND FATHER of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. What can the Apostle mean by this separation of our Lord from the one God and Father of all, if it do not intimate the Father's complete and unrivaled supremacy? What words can speak it, if such words as these mean anything else? Has it ever been asserted, by any Unitarian, more unequivocally?



1) Let us consider, first, the language which is commonly used respecting our Lord Jesus. Is it such as implies that he is the same with Almighty God? Take his testimony respecting himself:


"I came not to do mine own will."
"I can of myself do nothing."
"The Son can do nothing of himself."
"The Father that is in me, he doeth the works."
He calls himself, "he whom the Father hath sanctified and sent."
He says, "I am come in my Father's name."
And after his resurrection he says, "I ascend to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God."

We could go on with this discussion infinitely. I'll live and conduct my life because I know that God does exist and my life will be lived according to His word with all my ability.

My choice to change from living a sinful life to one led by God was a result of me making the decision to accept Him as Lord and Savior and Him abiding with me to accomplish His will for my life.

As for the homosexual question, it is a choice made by man, much like the choice of whether to be a carpenter, doctor, welder or engineer.

I have not attempted, nor can I make any of you accept Jesus. God Himself will not make you accept Him. He has given us an opportunity as free-will beings allowed to make the decisions for our life as we choose. As a creation of the Lord in His image, He would that you would choose Jesus!

Series62 wrote: Living by the Bible teaches me what is natural and what is right! Our reproductive organs were made for human reproduction.

I assume that means that people beyond their reproductive years are sinning if they continue to have sex.

Gblock wrote:

Series62 wrote:

Gblock wrote: i dont believe jesus is god...i believe he is the son of god

John 10:30; Jesus the son of God said, "I and my Father are one."

I John 5:7; "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

John 1:1; "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

A word of warning for you, read;
Revelation 22:18-19

different translations use different words in these versus based upon interpretations of other hebrew words. I m not going to get into the whole argument. I use the king james bible.The words Trinity, triune, Jehovah-Jesus, God-man, are not in the Scriptures. We nowhere find the expression God the Son, but always the Son of God; nowhere God the Holy Spirit, but the spirit of God, or the Holy Spirit. The expressions first person, second person, third person, three persons, are not found. Now if the very words, which are necessary to express the doctrine, are not in the Scriptures, how can we suppose the doctrine itself to be there? If the sacred writers meant to teach this doctrine, how is it possible they should not sometimes have used the words which are now used in regard to it?

I just dont believe that god and jesus are the same person. If jesus was god he wouldnt have been able to die. and that kind of defeats the pupose.....the bible also says that no one has ever seen god. lots of people have seen jesus.....bible also says that he sent his ONLY BEGOTTON SON.....to pay for our sin....

those are just my beliefs i know plenty of people who believe in the trinity i just dont. i dont think you can have it both ways. he is either god or hes not IMO.
i googled this real quick.
1) John 17:3. This is life eternal, that they might know THEE, THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. This is the language of our Lord himself in prayer. Now that he was at prayer proves that he could not be God for God never prays. But besides this, he strongly asserts that the Father only is God. It could not be asserted more strongly. It never has been asserted more strongly.


(2) Mark 13:32. But of that day and hour knoweth no man; no, not the angels which are in heaven; NEITHER THE SON; but the Father. This is the language of our Lord. he declares that he does not know the time of that day and hour; that the Father only knows it. Therefore the Father only can be God; for God knows all things.


(3) I Timothy 2:5. There is one God and, one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. What can assert more positively than this, that Jesus is not the one God? If not, then there is no Trinity.


(4) I Corinthians 8:6. But to us there is but ONE GOD, THE FATHER, of whom are all things and we in Him; and ONE LORD, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and we by him. This text is very positive. It declares that Jesus is our Lord; but that the Father only is our God. Can language be devised which shall declare it more positively?
(5) Ephesians 4:5-6. ONE LORD, one faith, one baptism, ONE GOD AND FATHER of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. What can the Apostle mean by this separation of our Lord from the one God and Father of all, if it do not intimate the Father's complete and unrivaled supremacy? What words can speak it, if such words as these mean anything else? Has it ever been asserted, by any Unitarian, more unequivocally?



1) Let us consider, first, the language which is commonly used respecting our Lord Jesus. Is it such as implies that he is the same with Almighty God? Take his testimony respecting himself:


"I came not to do mine own will."
"I can of myself do nothing."
"The Son can do nothing of himself."
"The Father that is in me, he doeth the works."
He calls himself, "he whom the Father hath sanctified and sent."
He says, "I am come in my Father's name."
And after his resurrection he says, "I ascend to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God."

The scriptures given are also from the King James Version
John 1:14; And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 10:30; Jesus the son of God said, "I and my Father are one."
I John 5:7; "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
John 1:1; "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Jesus was God on earth clothed in the flesh of man. This was difficult for Jesus' disciples to understand right until His resurrection. It is obviously difficult for you to understand.

For you to say that you don't believe some parts of God's word is to call God a liar. If your Pastor is teaching that which you've said, you need to find a different church, if you are the Pastor or are preaching/teaching those falsehoods and lies, you need to see Revelations 22:18-19, cease and repent! If it's just you attempting to manipulate God's word, see the above and one knowledgeable of the Bible.

You are very wrong to think that Jesus is not God!

queencitybuckeye wrote:

Series62 wrote: Living by the Bible teaches me what is natural and what is right! Our reproductive organs were made for human reproduction.

I assume that means that people beyond their reproductive years are sinning if they continue to have sex.

They are sinning if they are either, aren't married, man and man, women and women, or a combination thereof!

Series62 wrote:

Gblock wrote:

Series62 wrote:

Gblock wrote: i dont believe jesus is god...i believe he is the son of god

John 10:30; Jesus the son of God said, "I and my Father are one."

I John 5:7; "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

John 1:1; "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

A word of warning for you, read;
Revelation 22:18-19

different translations use different words in these versus based upon interpretations of other hebrew words. I m not going to get into the whole argument. I use the king james bible.The words Trinity, triune, Jehovah-Jesus, God-man, are not in the Scriptures. We nowhere find the expression God the Son, but always the Son of God; nowhere God the Holy Spirit, but the spirit of God, or the Holy Spirit. The expressions first person, second person, third person, three persons, are not found. Now if the very words, which are necessary to express the doctrine, are not in the Scriptures, how can we suppose the doctrine itself to be there? If the sacred writers meant to teach this doctrine, how is it possible they should not sometimes have used the words which are now used in regard to it?

I just dont believe that god and jesus are the same person. If jesus was god he wouldnt have been able to die. and that kind of defeats the pupose.....the bible also says that no one has ever seen god. lots of people have seen jesus.....bible also says that he sent his ONLY BEGOTTON SON.....to pay for our sin....

those are just my beliefs i know plenty of people who believe in the trinity i just dont. i dont think you can have it both ways. he is either god or hes not IMO.
i googled this real quick.
1) John 17:3. This is life eternal, that they might know THEE, THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. This is the language of our Lord himself in prayer. Now that he was at prayer proves that he could not be God for God never prays. But besides this, he strongly asserts that the Father only is God. It could not be asserted more strongly. It never has been asserted more strongly.


(2) Mark 13:32. But of that day and hour knoweth no man; no, not the angels which are in heaven; NEITHER THE SON; but the Father. This is the language of our Lord. he declares that he does not know the time of that day and hour; that the Father only knows it. Therefore the Father only can be God; for God knows all things.


(3) I Timothy 2:5. There is one God and, one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. What can assert more positively than this, that Jesus is not the one God? If not, then there is no Trinity.


(4) I Corinthians 8:6. But to us there is but ONE GOD, THE FATHER, of whom are all things and we in Him; and ONE LORD, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things and we by him. This text is very positive. It declares that Jesus is our Lord; but that the Father only is our God. Can language be devised which shall declare it more positively?
(5) Ephesians 4:5-6. ONE LORD, one faith, one baptism, ONE GOD AND FATHER of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. What can the Apostle mean by this separation of our Lord from the one God and Father of all, if it do not intimate the Father's complete and unrivaled supremacy? What words can speak it, if such words as these mean anything else? Has it ever been asserted, by any Unitarian, more unequivocally?



1) Let us consider, first, the language which is commonly used respecting our Lord Jesus. Is it such as implies that he is the same with Almighty God? Take his testimony respecting himself:


"I came not to do mine own will."
"I can of myself do nothing."
"The Son can do nothing of himself."
"The Father that is in me, he doeth the works."
He calls himself, "he whom the Father hath sanctified and sent."
He says, "I am come in my Father's name."
And after his resurrection he says, "I ascend to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God."

The scriptures given are also from the King James Version
John 1:14; And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 10:30; Jesus the son of God said, "I and my Father are one."
I John 5:7; "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
John 1:1; "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Jesus was God on earth clothed in the flesh of man. This was difficult for Jesus' disciples to understand right until His resurrection. It is obviously difficult for you to understand.

For you to say that you don't believe some parts of God's word is to call God a liar. If your Pastor is teaching that which you've said, you need to find a different church, if you are the Pastor or are preaching/teaching those falsehoods and lies, you need to see Revelations 22:18-19, cease and repent! If it's just you attempting to manipulate God's word, see the above and one knowledgeable of the Bible.

You are very wrong to think that Jesus is not God!

I havent been to church in 15plus years, i was just giving my opinions as to what i believe and why. only reason i commented is because you are speaking in absolutes like you are 100 right. i really couldnt care less, just stating that everyone doesnt interpret it that way and everyone doesnt believe that way. it really sounds silly to me in fact when i hear people say that they think jesus IS god but i respect your opinion and would never presume to tell someone their beliefs are 100 percent wrong, because really no one knows.

tk421 wrote: a-......How can an opinion be wrong?
b-Do you have definitive proof of God's existence?
c-What makes you an expert?

tk421;
a-See gblock's post regarding his extensive commentary.
b-I have God's word - The Holy Bible
c-I'm not an expert, however, the Bible teaches me;
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed of rightly dividing the word of truth." II Timothy 2:15

I do however study! Praying before and after for God to reveal unto me the wisdom of His Holy and Righteous word.

Gblock wrote: I havent been to church in 15plus years, i was just giving my opinions as to what i believe and why. only reason i commented is because you are speaking in absolutes like you are 100 right. i really couldnt care less, just stating that everyone doesnt interpret it that way and everyone doesnt believe that way. it really sounds silly to me in fact when i hear people say that they think jesus IS god but i respect your opinion and would never presume to tell someone their beliefs are 100 percent wrong, because really no one knows.

You should have saved yourself some embarrassment and just remained quiet. What is the quote;
"It is better to remain silent and be thought the fool then to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

why would i be embarrassed???you are the one looking like a fanatic....plus you havent "proven" anything just your opinion/interpretation.

Series62 wrote:

queencitybuckeye wrote:

Series62 wrote: Living by the Bible teaches me what is natural and what is right! Our reproductive organs were made for human reproduction.

I assume that means that people beyond their reproductive years are sinning if they continue to have sex.

They are sinning if they are either, aren't married, man and man, women and women, or a combination thereof!

You changed your story.

gblock;

Expressing my belief and acceptance of Jesus the Christ does not make me a fanatic nor does it make me look like one. It is always an attempt by non-believers to portray Christians as fanatics, lunatics and cowards. That is not so and I will never be afraid to stand for my God.

It was never my intent to prove anything as God's word can and will stand on it's own.

On the other hand, you did prove yourself to be ignorant, and how much more so if it did not embarrass you!

Series62 wrote: gblock;

Expressing my belief and acceptance of Jesus the Christ does not make me a fanatic nor does it make me look like one. It is always an attempt by non-believers to portray Christians as fanatics, lunatics and cowards. That is not so and I will never be afraid to stand for my God.

It was never my intent to prove anything as God's word can and will stand on it's own.

On the other hand, you did prove yourself to be ignorant, and how much more so if it did not embarrass you!

i have christian beliefs all i said was i think there is a god and jesus is his son and that they are not the same person.(i dont think you have proven otherwise? )how does that make me ignorant?

the only reason i said your fanatical is your on here telling people that you are right and they are wrong and that they are stupid for their beliefs, but you probably believe jesus is going to make me burn forever also

Series62 wrote:

DeyDurkie5 wrote: So what do you make of other religions? Are they wrong?

What does the Bible say? There is only one true and living God!

i do however agree with this

Series62 wrote: gblock;

Expressing my belief and acceptance of Jesus the Christ does not make me a fanatic nor does it make me look like one.

The latter is in the eye of the beholder. You don't get to decide what you look like. We do.

Series62 wrote:

Living by the Bible teaches me what is natural and what is right! Our reproductive organs were made for human reproduction. A man's penis in another man's anus won't reproduce anything but a mess.

So a man's penis in a woman's anus or a woman's mouth is a sin then? Even if they are married, according to you they are made for reproduction and that is all. So if a married man and woman are having sex not to reproduce, just for the pleasure of it, they are sinning? Thanks for clearing it up for us.

Series62 wrote:
To tell a man he is wrong because of the choices he's made is not bashing nor does it make me and other Christians lunatics.

To tell a man he is wrong is to judge him. You are a hypocrite. I thought you said only God can judge us?

How are you born gay? If your parents aren't gay? What if you have siblings and they are not gay....I think it is choice...

Series62 wrote:

DeyDurkie5 wrote: Fairwood is gay for one, so I highly doubt he thinks it is wrong. Two, it's not wrong to be gay...if you quit living by the bible then you would realize that it's just as natural as you coming out of the womb wanting to fuck girls. Three, how are you going to tell god anything he is dead. He was just some dude that died years ago, the fact you bash people for what they want personally makes you and every other christian lunatics. If you had a gay son, would you banish him??

Living by the Bible teaches me what is natural and what is right! Our reproductive organs were made for human reproduction. A man's penis in another man's anus won't reproduce anything but a mess.

To tell a man he is wrong because of the choices he's made is not bashing nor does it make me and other Christians lunatics. If any of my son's made the "choice" to be gay, I would love still them yet also disappointed in their "decision". They are still my children that I love, but I would still hate their decision of sin!

And much to your dismay, God is not dead, He's still alive!!!

If you would be disappointed in them, then you should sure as hell be disappointed in yourself for creating them. Living by the bible makes you blind to what is reality. Sex was made for procreation, but it was also made for good feeling and a connection between two people. Whether that connection is between a man or a woman it still holds a significant emotional appeal to those two. Why does that change if it's between two guys or two girls? Because the bible says so? A book telling you what to believe and how you should run your life is pretty silly in my opinion.

god is dead because he died many years ago, just as jesus is dead he died on that cross remember. What makes you think 2 people have the all knowing badassness to be able to still be alive after death? Because it was back before anything could be saved in documents? Hell, why aren't any of the pope today making miracles like jesus did? They are just as holy and do just as good for the world as your precious hesus did. Keep believing what you want, but stop putting down others for what they believe or how they choose to live their life.

tbdbitl_osu wrote: How are you born gay? If your parents aren't gay? What if you have siblings and they are not gay....I think it is choice...

What if someone is born with a mental disability? If their parents aren't mentally handicapped? What if their siblings aren't handicapped.....I think it's a choice.

dwccrew wrote:

Series62 wrote:

Living by the Bible teaches me what is natural and what is right! Our reproductive organs were made for human reproduction. A man's penis in another man's anus won't reproduce anything but a mess.

So a man's penis in a woman's anus or a woman's mouth is a sin then? Even if they are married, according to you they are made for reproduction and that is all. So if a married man and woman are having sex not to reproduce, just for the pleasure of it, they are sinning? Thanks for clearing it up for us.

Series62 wrote:
To tell a man he is wrong because of the choices he's made is not bashing nor does it make me and other Christians lunatics.

To tell a man he is wrong is to judge him. You are a hypocrite. I thought you said only God can judge us?

I did not say anything regarding the sexual intercourse between a married man and his wife. The Bible says this;
"Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." Hebrews 13:4
That is to say, what a man and his wife do in their bed is between them.

If a fruit tree bears apples, than it is rightly judged to be an apple tree.
If a man commits murder, and you saw him do so, and he confesses to that truth, to tell him that he is a murderer and is wrong, is not a wrongful judgment.
If I say he looks like a murderer or might be something I know nothing about without evidence, than I have wrongfully judged him.

Insofar as judging a man's heart, I do not do so, I did not do so!

If any of you are going to accuse me, please read and comprehend carefully, then think prior to speaking.

I've not judged nor attempted to judge anyone on here. Anything I say is not my opinion as it is supported by the Bible as it is what the Bible says. That is why I provide the scripture in as much as I can.

If you don't believe in God nor His word, if you believe in Him and don't know His word, much of what I say won't be accepted and therefore some have judged me a fanatical lunatic. I'm aware that that will happen.

This thread has turned into bible study.

Al Capone wrote: This thread has turned into bible study.

yeah, and it's hilarious

DeyDurkie5 wrote:

Series62 wrote:

DeyDurkie5 wrote: Fairwood is gay for one, so I highly doubt he thinks it is wrong. Two, it's not wrong to be gay...if you quit living by the bible then you would realize that it's just as natural as you coming out of the womb wanting to fuck girls. Three, how are you going to tell god anything he is dead. He was just some dude that died years ago, the fact you bash people for what they want personally makes you and every other christian lunatics. If you had a gay son, would you banish him??

Living by the Bible teaches me what is natural and what is right! Our reproductive organs were made for human reproduction. A man's penis in another man's anus won't reproduce anything but a mess.

To tell a man he is wrong because of the choices he's made is not bashing nor does it make me and other Christians lunatics. If any of my son's made the "choice" to be gay, I would love still them yet also disappointed in their "decision". They are still my children that I love, but I would still hate their decision of sin!

And much to your dismay, God is not dead, He's still alive!!!

If you would be disappointed in them, then you should sure as hell be disappointed in yourself for creating them. Living by the bible makes you blind to what is reality. Sex was made for procreation, but it was also made for good feeling and a connection between two people. Whether that connection is between a man or a woman it still holds a significant emotional appeal to those two. Why does that change if it's between two guys or two girls? Because the bible says so? A book telling you what to believe and how you should run your life is pretty silly in my opinion.

god is dead because he died many years ago, just as jesus is dead he died on that cross remember. What makes you think 2 people have the all knowing badassness to be able to still be alive after death? Because it was back before anything could be saved in documents? Hell, why aren't any of the pope today making miracles like jesus did? They are just as holy and do just as good for the world as your precious hesus did. Keep believing what you want, but stop putting down others for what they believe or how they choose to live their life.

The pope is a man and he is not holy in the manner of which you suggest. That is why he can't perform miracles, he's not Jesus.

Again, I've not put anyone down. If you are wrong and your conversation is wrong, then, you are wrong!!

If only you knew anything of which you speak about! If you are an atheist, a non-believer, you hate God and don't know much about Him, you would do yourself a favor to and remain silent. That conversation you just had is akin to "Talkin' loud, ain't saying nothing!"

Hey Al,

Don't you like talking about Jesus?

That "hershey-highway" business is nasty!

It's convenient that all of the miracles of God happened thousands and thousands of years before anyone of us were around.

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god is dead because he died many years ago, just as jesus is dead he died on that cross remember. What makes you think 2 people have the all knowing badassness to be able to still be alive after death? Because it was back before anything could be saved in documents? Hell, why aren't any of the pope today making miracles like jesus did? They are just as holy and do just as good for the world as your precious hesus did. Keep believing what you want, but stop putting down others for what they believe or how they choose to live their life.
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From what I gather Series isn't Catholic so what the Pope does isn't going to be of much concern to him. However; I am Catholic and you don't compare the Pope to Jesus. They are not just as holy and they haven't even come close to doing as much good for the world as Jesus did.

And as to why the Pope aren't doing miracles, well they're not the Sons of God. They are men who were elected by men.