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slingshot4ever
Posts: 4,085
Feb 13, 2010 9:24am
Based solely on this year:
1. Big East (4 teams in the top 8 and the next 8 teams in the conference are decent as well)
2. Big Ten (4 teams in the top 15 which excludes a very good Illinois team. After that though, the other 6 teams aren't very good)
3. Big Twelve (Kansas and Kansas State are the cream of the conference in the top 10. Texas has fallen off a bit recently but Baylor and Texas A&M have shown some good stuff and are both rated in the 20's. Many sites are projecting them to get 7 teams in the tourney showing that they are fairly strong top to bottom)
4. SEC (3 teams in the top 25 with Ole Miss receiving votes, that's it)
5. ACC (You have Duke and Georgia Tech in top 25 with Maryland and Wake Forest receiving votes)
It really was a toss up for me between SEC and ACC. Rip away and provide opinions.
1. Big East (4 teams in the top 8 and the next 8 teams in the conference are decent as well)
2. Big Ten (4 teams in the top 15 which excludes a very good Illinois team. After that though, the other 6 teams aren't very good)
3. Big Twelve (Kansas and Kansas State are the cream of the conference in the top 10. Texas has fallen off a bit recently but Baylor and Texas A&M have shown some good stuff and are both rated in the 20's. Many sites are projecting them to get 7 teams in the tourney showing that they are fairly strong top to bottom)
4. SEC (3 teams in the top 25 with Ole Miss receiving votes, that's it)
5. ACC (You have Duke and Georgia Tech in top 25 with Maryland and Wake Forest receiving votes)
It really was a toss up for me between SEC and ACC. Rip away and provide opinions.

royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Feb 13, 2010 10:00am
Gotta agree with your rankings. Big East is definately the strongest followed by the Big 10.
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slingshot4ever
Posts: 4,085
Feb 13, 2010 10:06am
It was also tough deciding between big 12 and big 10 for second and 3rd.
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FairwoodKing
Posts: 2,504
Feb 13, 2010 8:10pm
What do you think about the A-10? When I was listening to the Dayton-St. Louis game today, the annoucers predicted that the conference might put as many as six teams in the NCAA's.
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slingshot4ever
Posts: 4,085
Feb 13, 2010 8:43pm
I would probably put them 6th. Not sure they could compete top to bottom with SEC or ACC

CinciX12
Posts: 2,874
Feb 16, 2010 12:07pm
If the A10 had actually 10 teams in it and we could tell the bottom feeders to get the hell out of here we would probably be competing for a top 5 conference spot. It's really difficult to do that with teams like Fordham (327), St. Joes (215), St. Bonaventure (212), and this year UMass (209).
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Feb 16, 2010 3:21pm
Completely agree with the list.
And, A-10 is 6th on mine.
Poor, poor PAC-10 haha.
And, A-10 is 6th on mine.
Poor, poor PAC-10 haha.
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Huskers
Posts: 81
Feb 16, 2010 3:48pm
1. Big East
2. Big Ten
3. Big XII
4. SEC
5. ACC
2. Big Ten
3. Big XII
4. SEC
5. ACC
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Feb 16, 2010 4:06pm
nice job,slingshot--you did your homework...and I agree with your list
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slingshot4ever
Posts: 4,085
Feb 16, 2010 8:54pm
^^^^
Thanks.
Thanks.
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fan_from_texas
Posts: 2,693
Feb 21, 2010 5:52pm
Some non-conference records:slingshot4ever wrote: Based solely on this year:
1. Big East (4 teams in the top 8 and the next 8 teams in the conference are decent as well)
2. Big Ten (4 teams in the top 15 which excludes a very good Illinois team. After that though, the other 6 teams aren't very good)
3. Big Twelve (Kansas and Kansas State are the cream of the conference in the top 10. Texas has fallen off a bit recently but Baylor and Texas A&M have shown some good stuff and are both rated in the 20's. Many sites are projecting them to get 7 teams in the tourney showing that they are fairly strong top to bottom)
4. SEC (3 teams in the top 25 with Ole Miss receiving votes, that's it)
5. ACC (You have Duke and Georgia Tech in top 25 with Maryland and Wake Forest receiving votes)
It really was a toss up for me between SEC and ACC. Rip away and provide opinions.
B12 137-31 .815
ACC 133-31 .811
BEC 157-38 .805
SEC 123-47 .724
B10 95-39 .709
MVC 78-35 .690
MWC 80-38 .678
Pac-10 76-44 .633
A10 118-71 .624
If we were ranking them based on the winning pct the conference would have if each team played against an average :team on a neutral court:
B12 .665
ACC .663
BEC .654
B10 .624
SEC .584
Pac-10 .527
MWC .517
A10 .491
MVC .469
The ACC doesn't have many good teams at the top, but it has much more depth than many other conferences. If you want to rank conferences solely on the number of ranked teams, then the ACC isn't going to do well. But if you're looking at the entire body of work from the top to the bottom, the ACC looks much better.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Feb 21, 2010 5:56pm
Non-conference records can be very misleading without looking at the teams the schools played non-conferencefan_from_texas wrote:Some non-conference records:slingshot4ever wrote: Based solely on this year:
1. Big East (4 teams in the top 8 and the next 8 teams in the conference are decent as well)
2. Big Ten (4 teams in the top 15 which excludes a very good Illinois team. After that though, the other 6 teams aren't very good)
3. Big Twelve (Kansas and Kansas State are the cream of the conference in the top 10. Texas has fallen off a bit recently but Baylor and Texas A&M have shown some good stuff and are both rated in the 20's. Many sites are projecting them to get 7 teams in the tourney showing that they are fairly strong top to bottom)
4. SEC (3 teams in the top 25 with Ole Miss receiving votes, that's it)
5. ACC (You have Duke and Georgia Tech in top 25 with Maryland and Wake Forest receiving votes)
It really was a toss up for me between SEC and ACC. Rip away and provide opinions.
B12 137-31 .815
ACC 133-31 .811
BEC 157-38 .805
SEC 123-47 .724
B10 95-39 .709
MVC 78-35 .690
MWC 80-38 .678
Pac-10 76-44 .633
A10 118-71 .624
If we were ranking them based on the winning pct the conference would have if each team played against an average :team on a neutral court:
B12 .665
ACC .663
BEC .654
B10 .624
SEC .584
Pac-10 .527
MWC .517
A10 .491
MVC .469
The ACC doesn't have many good teams at the top, but it has much more depth than many other conferences. If you want to rank conferences solely on the number of ranked teams, then the ACC isn't going to do well. But if you're looking at the entire body of work from the top to the bottom, the ACC looks much better.
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fan_from_texas
Posts: 2,693
Feb 21, 2010 6:00pm
No doubt.Al Bundy wrote: Non-conference records can be very misleading without looking at the teams the schools played non-conference
Here's how Sagarin ranks the conferences:
CONFERENCE CENTRAL MEAN SIMPLE AVERAGE TEAMS WIN50%
1 BIG 12 = 84.06 84.21 ( 1) 12 84.13 ( 1)
2 ATLANTIC COAST = 83.90 83.89 ( 2) 12 83.86 ( 2)
3 BIG EAST = 83.35 83.25 ( 3) 16 83.30 ( 3)
4 BIG TEN = 81.12 80.89 ( 5) 11 80.95 ( 5)
5 SOUTHEASTERN = 81.02 80.99 ( 4) 12 81.01 ( 4)
6 PACIFIC-10 = 78.24 78.43 ( 6) 10 78.41 ( 6)
7 ATLANTIC 10 = 77.45 77.12 ( 8) 14 77.36 ( 7)
8 MOUNTAIN WEST = 77.21 77.33 ( 7) 9 77.30 ( 8)
9 MISSOURI VALLEY = 76.13 76.09 ( 9) 10 76.14 ( 9)
I tend to agree with his general approach. The real question, I think, is what people mean by "best conference." Are we looking at top-to-bottom? Top-heavy? Strength of the middle? Number in the tourney? Number ranked? Best chances of winning it all? E.g., the Big Ten has four teams worse than the ACC's worst, and the Big East has three teams worse. How does that figure in? Does the Big East get the benefit of having a strong top of the league without looking at the bottom, too?