Pick6 wrote:fair enough. I guarantee if the steelers would have won 5 nfl championships some of the fans like rock and al would be pounding their chest and say that it mattered. Also note that when the browns won the aafc championships, nobody in the nfl would play them.

karen lotz wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=5062143

Not a bad read about Kelly changing attitudes and getting them to buy into his way of doing things.

rock_knutne wrote:

Pick6 wrote:fair enough. I guarantee if the steelers would have won 5 nfl championships some of the fans like rock and al would be pounding their chest and say that it mattered. Also note that when the browns won the aafc championships, nobody in the nfl would play them.

Wrong! I would never try to compare an NFL title to a Super Bowl, the two are not even close. Good for Cleveland and those titles, that's the way it worked back then but the Super Bowl is MUCH harder to win..........there's more teams and the talent is undoubtedly better in the Super Bowl era, plus the salary cap makes it even more difficult today. You should be proud of those titles but don't try to compare them to six Lombardi Trophies because they don't even come close!

Pick6 wrote:

rock_knutne wrote:

Pick6 wrote:fair enough. I guarantee if the steelers would have won 5 nfl championships some of the fans like rock and al would be pounding their chest and say that it mattered. Also note that when the browns won the aafc championships, nobody in the nfl would play them.

Wrong! I would never try to compare an NFL title to a Super Bowl, the two are not even close. Good for Cleveland and those titles, that's the way it worked back then but the Super Bowl is MUCH harder to win..........there's more teams and the talent is undoubtedly better in the Super Bowl era, plus the salary cap makes it even more difficult today. You should be proud of those titles but don't try to compare them to six Lombardi Trophies because they don't even come close!

blah blah blah..i'll just respond because i like to argue with you. If you want it that way, then notre dame has 0 championships. Because anything before the bcs was a joke because the champion was selected, instead of actually playing in a championship game. Plus, todays talent is much better than what notre dame was playing in the 30s.

Pick6 wrote: btw ewok..
this is exactly what i meant about the double standard. rock claims that nfl championships of that time are worthless, yet somehow the ncaa championships will still be equivalent or even greater than what they are today.

btw: i really think a championship= a championship no matter what time period...i was just using rock's logic to prove how stupid he is.

Mr Pat wrote:

Pick6 wrote:

rock_knutne wrote:

Pick6 wrote:fair enough. I guarantee if the steelers would have won 5 nfl championships some of the fans like rock and al would be pounding their chest and say that it mattered. Also note that when the browns won the aafc championships, nobody in the nfl would play them.

Wrong! I would never try to compare an NFL title to a Super Bowl, the two are not even close. Good for Cleveland and those titles, that's the way it worked back then but the Super Bowl is MUCH harder to win..........there's more teams and the talent is undoubtedly better in the Super Bowl era, plus the salary cap makes it even more difficult today. You should be proud of those titles but don't try to compare them to six Lombardi Trophies because they don't even come close!

blah blah blah..i'll just respond because i like to argue with you. If you want it that way, then notre dame has 0 championships. Because anything before the bcs was a joke because the champion was selected, instead of actually playing in a championship game. Plus, todays talent is much better than what notre dame was playing in the 30s.

The 30's is a far cry from 1989... And actually if you want to put your way, there has never been an actual NCAA champion, because the teams are selected by people and computers as to who plays. Nevermind in 1989 ND's last championship it was against the #1 and #2 team.

Pick6 wrote: btw ewok..
this is exactly what i meant about the double standard. rock claims that nfl championships of that time are worthless, yet somehow the ncaa championships will still be equivalent or even greater than what they are today.

btw: i really think a championship= a championship no matter what time period...i was just using rock's logic to prove how stupid he is.

Pick6 wrote: blah blah blah..i'll just respond because i like to argue with you. If you want it that way, then notre dame has 0 championships. Because anything before the bcs was a joke because the champion was selected, instead of actually playing in a championship game. Plus, todays talent is much better than what notre dame was playing in the 30s.

rock_knutne wrote:

Pick6 wrote: blah blah blah..i'll just respond because i like to argue with you. If you want it that way, then notre dame has 0 championships. Because anything before the bcs was a joke because the champion was selected, instead of actually playing in a championship game. Plus, todays talent is much better than what notre dame was playing in the 30s.

Your logic can be seen as flawed too. Wasn't there a split title several years ago with USC finishing #1 in the final poll yet they didn't win the BCS title game?

vball10set wrote: Pick6--it's so easy,isn't it ??

rock_knutne wrote:

vball10set wrote: Pick6--it's so easy,isn't it ??

Being a stupid asshole? You would know.

september63 wrote: How are the ND guys faring in the 2010 NFL draft?

september63 wrote: How are the ND guys faring in the 2010 NFL draft?

september63 wrote: How are the ND guys faring in the 2010 NFL draft?

rock_knutne wrote:

september63 wrote: How are the ND guys faring in the 2010 NFL draft?

Translation: "Look at me, I'm a five year old who craves attention."