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Hammerin'Hank
Posts: 151
Feb 4, 2010 8:39pm
The Detroit Tigers are going to pay Justin Verlander $80 million for 5 years. If he wins 16 games per year, makes 40 starts per year, pitches 250 innings for the year, and throw 100 pitches per start, Verlander will receive:
$1,000,000 per win.
$400,000 per start.
$64,000 per inning pitched
$4,000 per pitch.
All I can say is, WOW!
$1,000,000 per win.
$400,000 per start.
$64,000 per inning pitched
$4,000 per pitch.
All I can say is, WOW!

Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Feb 4, 2010 9:00pm
I'm not sure if that's a smart move for Detroit.
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Hulk Smash
Posts: 306
Feb 4, 2010 10:55pm
Best move the Tigers have made this off season.

HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 4, 2010 10:55pm
well, they could be like Cleveland and trade him for a couple of AAAA players and a single A pitcher with a bad arm. Be thankful you have an owner who is willing to spend some of his money in order to have a competitive team. C.C. Sabathia could have been still pitching in Cleveland if Dolan would have had any balls and signed him to an extension before he won the Cy Young.

dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Feb 4, 2010 11:04pm
Really? Why not? Verlander is easily one of the top 5 starters in the MLB. This is a great move.HighRoller74 wrote: I'm not sure if that's a smart move for Detroit.

HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 4, 2010 11:38pm
+1...for the post...and for the Kittys

hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Feb 4, 2010 11:40pm
lol, what? Easily one of the top 5? Easily?dwccrew wrote:Really? Why not? Verlander is easily one of the top 5 starters in the MLB. This is a great move.HighRoller74 wrote: I'm not sure if that's a smart move for Detroit.
CC
Roy
Cliff Lee
Tim Lincecum
Brandon Webb
Jake Peavy
Felix Hernandez
Dan Haren
Cole Hamels
I think you get the point..

Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Feb 4, 2010 11:55pm
^ Greinke, Carpenter, Johan, and other young guys like Josh Johnson and Jon Lester have all performed at the level of or above the level Verlander has ever reached.
Verlander isn't a top 5 pitcher at all, let alone easily.
Verlander isn't a top 5 pitcher at all, let alone easily.

dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Feb 5, 2010 12:18am
Yea ok, Verlander led the majors with 269 SO's and tied for most wins with 19. I'd say he is top 5 as a starter and hasn't even hit his prime yet.

hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Feb 5, 2010 12:21am
lol. He had a 3.45 ERA last season, which isn't bad... But he had a 4.84 ERA the year before..
He's definitely NOT top 5. Wins is one of the most overrated stats there is.
He's definitely great at striking out hitters, but he is not a top 5 pitcher overall.
He's definitely NOT top 5. Wins is one of the most overrated stats there is.
He's definitely great at striking out hitters, but he is not a top 5 pitcher overall.

dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Feb 5, 2010 12:22am
You have your opinion, I have mine. Verlander is who I would want to build my team around. Guy is only 24-25 and has alot of room to get even better.LTrain23 wrote: lol. He had a 3.45 ERA last season, which isn't bad... But he had a 4.84 ERA the year before..
He's definitely NOT top 5. Wins is one of the most overrated stats there is.
He's definitely great at striking out hitters, but he is not a top 5 pitcher overall.
And the whole point of this thread is that it was a good move for the Tigers. Whether you think Verlander is top 5 or not, he is a great pitcher and it was a good move for the Tigers.
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dave
Posts: 4,558
Feb 5, 2010 12:37am
good move for the tigers. OP i hope you don't expect him to make 40 starts a year.
verlander should win a cy young during this contract.
verlander should win a cy young during this contract.

dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Feb 5, 2010 12:42am
Agreed, hopefully he gets some run support.dave wrote: good move for the tigers. OP i hope you don't expect him to make 40 starts a year.
verlander should win a cy young during this contract.

hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Feb 5, 2010 12:42am
I think he's 27dwccrew wrote:You have your opinion, I have mine. Verlander is who I would want to build my team around. Guy is only 24-25 and has alot of room to get even better.LTrain23 wrote: lol. He had a 3.45 ERA last season, which isn't bad... But he had a 4.84 ERA the year before..
He's definitely NOT top 5. Wins is one of the most overrated stats there is.
He's definitely great at striking out hitters, but he is not a top 5 pitcher overall.
And the whole point of this thread is that it was a good move for the Tigers. Whether you think Verlander is top 5 or not, he is a great pitcher and it was a good move for the Tigers.

dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Feb 5, 2010 12:44am
^^^Yea, he'll be 27 later this month. Regardless, he's still young and has many years ahead of him barring injury.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Feb 5, 2010 3:36am
This contract is a steal when you consider what some other starters putting up roughly the same numbers have been comanding on the open market.
It's for 2 less years, but they paid Verlander less than half (80 vs. 161 million) of what the Yankees paid CC when he was a free agent at about the same age as Verlander.
I suspect over the next years Verlander and CC put up very similar numbers baring injury, but Verlander will cost $35million less over that period.
John Lackey just got the same 5 year $80 million deal this off season, and I like Verlander alot more.
Detroit did very very well in this deal and he will look underpaid most likely in 3-4 years given the way prices rapidly inflate for pitchers.
It's for 2 less years, but they paid Verlander less than half (80 vs. 161 million) of what the Yankees paid CC when he was a free agent at about the same age as Verlander.
I suspect over the next years Verlander and CC put up very similar numbers baring injury, but Verlander will cost $35million less over that period.
John Lackey just got the same 5 year $80 million deal this off season, and I like Verlander alot more.
Detroit did very very well in this deal and he will look underpaid most likely in 3-4 years given the way prices rapidly inflate for pitchers.

HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 5, 2010 7:07am
Every team needs an ace if you want to compete, an apparent fact lost on Tribe ownership. The Tigers were very smart to be proactive in signing theirs. If they wait another year to 'determine market value' like the Tribe did with C.C., he might become unaffordable.
So, the Tigers are going to build around Verlander....sounds like a much better plan than trying to catch lightning in a bottle year after year.
So, the Tigers are going to build around Verlander....sounds like a much better plan than trying to catch lightning in a bottle year after year.

KnightXC1
Posts: 1,031
Feb 5, 2010 11:54am
Great deal for the Tigers to hang on to Verlander. One of the best young pitchers in the league who really learned how to Pitch and not just Throw last year. They will build around him and Cabrera for most of this decade and I couldn't ask for 2 better players to build around.
Cole Hamels?? HAHA, guy was a .500 pitcher on a great team and had an ERA almost a full point higher than Verlander in the NL which is a much easier league to pitch it. Comparing NL pitchers to AL Pitchers is a mute point since the AL is much better hitting league with the DH. Verlander was 6th in the AL in ERA, 1st in strikeouts, 1st in Innings pitched, 1st in Wins, and 5th in WHIP. You are entitled to your opinion but imo, Verlander is a top 5 pitcher in the AL.LTrain23 wrote:
lol, what? Easily one of the top 5? Easily?
CC
Roy
Cliff Lee
Tim Lincecum
Brandon Webb
Jake Peavy
Felix Hernandez
Dan Haren
Cole Hamels
I think you get the point..

darbypitcher22
Posts: 8,000
Feb 5, 2010 3:48pm
guess they wanted to lock him up for a while
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Feb 5, 2010 3:50pm
WHen asked why he did it now when he coulda had alot bigger one if he stayed healty for two years and then did it at the end of his contract...he responded that it was neat to think about but why wait if you know you want to stay.
Plus....why wait 2 yers to possibly get more when you get 80 mill right now!
Plus....why wait 2 yers to possibly get more when you get 80 mill right now!