derek bomar wrote: Boggles my mind why you wouldn't let them serve

LJ wrote: Honestly, the policy should be "Don't ask, don't tell, don't care"

2quik4u wrote:

derek bomar wrote: Boggles my mind why you wouldn't let them serve

they do serve

derek bomar wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

derek bomar wrote: Boggles my mind why you wouldn't let them serve

they do serve

not if they are truthful

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

derek bomar wrote: Boggles my mind why you wouldn't let them serve

they do serve

not if they are truthful

That just don't make any sense. How can they be untruthful if you aren't allowed to ask?

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

derek bomar wrote: Boggles my mind why you wouldn't let them serve

they do serve

not if they are truthful

That just don't make any sense. How can they be untruthful if you aren't allowed to ask?

They're going into an arrangement where they know ahead of time if they admit something truthful about themselves if ever asked, or tell someone off the cuff something truthful about themselves, they won't be allowed to serve. I just don't see the fact that just because somebody doesn't ask you something, it's not lying that you didn't tell them.

It's a lie of omission in my book. And I would venture to guess most if not all are asked in some form by their buddies or higher ups in a social setting, i.e. talking about all the girls back home or what not... and they'd be forced to lie then

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

derek bomar wrote: Boggles my mind why you wouldn't let them serve

they do serve

not if they are truthful

That just don't make any sense. How can they be untruthful if you aren't allowed to ask?

They're going into an arrangement where they know ahead of time if they admit something truthful about themselves if ever asked, or tell someone off the cuff something truthful about themselves, they won't be allowed to serve. I just don't see the fact that just because somebody doesn't ask you something, it's not lying that you didn't tell them.

It's a lie of omission in my book. And I would venture to guess most if not all are asked in some form by their buddies or higher ups in a social setting, i.e. talking about all the girls back home or what not... and they'd be forced to lie then

While I agree that it should be "don't ask, don't tell, don't care" I just don't agree with that logic at all. Also, nobody can ask.

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

derek bomar wrote: Boggles my mind why you wouldn't let them serve

they do serve

not if they are truthful

That just don't make any sense. How can they be untruthful if you aren't allowed to ask?

They're going into an arrangement where they know ahead of time if they admit something truthful about themselves if ever asked, or tell someone off the cuff something truthful about themselves, they won't be allowed to serve. I just don't see the fact that just because somebody doesn't ask you something, it's not lying that you didn't tell them.

It's a lie of omission in my book. And I would venture to guess most if not all are asked in some form by their buddies or higher ups in a social setting, i.e. talking about all the girls back home or what not... and they'd be forced to lie then

While I agree that it should be "don't ask, don't tell, don't care" I just don't agree with that logic at all. Also, nobody can ask.

I don't think you get what I'm saying...

say you're gay and me and I'm your buddy in the service and we're out for beers one night and we start shooting the shit.

"say LJ, look at the broad over there...big ole titties huh?..."

you get the general direction where that convo would head. Just because you can't "ask" if someone's gay doesn't mean you can't talk to each other like a guy, and in some cases a gay dude would either be forced to lie, say nothing, or be honest. One instance he's outright lying, one he's lying by omission, and the third he's gettin booted out of the service...

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

derek bomar wrote: Boggles my mind why you wouldn't let them serve

they do serve

not if they are truthful

That just don't make any sense. How can they be untruthful if you aren't allowed to ask?

They're going into an arrangement where they know ahead of time if they admit something truthful about themselves if ever asked, or tell someone off the cuff something truthful about themselves, they won't be allowed to serve. I just don't see the fact that just because somebody doesn't ask you something, it's not lying that you didn't tell them.

It's a lie of omission in my book. And I would venture to guess most if not all are asked in some form by their buddies or higher ups in a social setting, i.e. talking about all the girls back home or what not... and they'd be forced to lie then

While I agree that it should be "don't ask, don't tell, don't care" I just don't agree with that logic at all. Also, nobody can ask.

I don't think you get what I'm saying...

say you're gay and me and I'm your buddy in the service and we're out for beers one night and we start shooting the shit.

"say LJ, look at the broad over there...big ole titties huh?..."

you get the general direction where that convo would head. Just because you can't "ask" if someone's gay doesn't mean you can't talk to each other like a guy, and in some cases a gay dude would either be forced to lie, say nothing, or be honest. One instance he's outright lying, one he's lying by omission, and the third he's gettin booted out of the service...

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

derek bomar wrote: Boggles my mind why you wouldn't let them serve

they do serve

not if they are truthful

That just don't make any sense. How can they be untruthful if you aren't allowed to ask?

They're going into an arrangement where they know ahead of time if they admit something truthful about themselves if ever asked, or tell someone off the cuff something truthful about themselves, they won't be allowed to serve. I just don't see the fact that just because somebody doesn't ask you something, it's not lying that you didn't tell them.

It's a lie of omission in my book. And I would venture to guess most if not all are asked in some form by their buddies or higher ups in a social setting, i.e. talking about all the girls back home or what not... and they'd be forced to lie then

While I agree that it should be "don't ask, don't tell, don't care" I just don't agree with that logic at all. Also, nobody can ask.

I don't think you get what I'm saying...

say you're gay and me and I'm your buddy in the service and we're out for beers one night and we start shooting the shit.

"say LJ, look at the broad over there...big ole titties huh?..."

you get the general direction where that convo would head. Just because you can't "ask" if someone's gay doesn't mean you can't talk to each other like a guy, and in some cases a gay dude would either be forced to lie, say nothing, or be honest. One instance he's outright lying, one he's lying by omission, and the third he's gettin booted out of the service...

I already told you I don't agree with your logic, so stop trying to explain yourself to me.

Glory Days wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

derek bomar wrote: Boggles my mind why you wouldn't let them serve

they do serve

not if they are truthful

That just don't make any sense. How can they be untruthful if you aren't allowed to ask?

They're going into an arrangement where they know ahead of time if they admit something truthful about themselves if ever asked, or tell someone off the cuff something truthful about themselves, they won't be allowed to serve. I just don't see the fact that just because somebody doesn't ask you something, it's not lying that you didn't tell them.

It's a lie of omission in my book. And I would venture to guess most if not all are asked in some form by their buddies or higher ups in a social setting, i.e. talking about all the girls back home or what not... and they'd be forced to lie then

While I agree that it should be "don't ask, don't tell, don't care" I just don't agree with that logic at all. Also, nobody can ask.

I don't think you get what I'm saying...

say you're gay and me and I'm your buddy in the service and we're out for beers one night and we start shooting the shit.

"say LJ, look at the broad over there...big ole titties huh?..."

you get the general direction where that convo would head. Just because you can't "ask" if someone's gay doesn't mean you can't talk to each other like a guy, and in some cases a gay dude would either be forced to lie, say nothing, or be honest. One instance he's outright lying, one he's lying by omission, and the third he's gettin booted out of the service...

what about straight guys who dont like big ole titties but would lie to feel like part of the group?

derek bomar wrote:
and I don't agree with your disagreement...bottom line is gays can't openly serve. Can't really see how you can think not being able to be open is somehow not lying, but whatever bro

derek bomar wrote:

Glory Days wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

derek bomar wrote: Boggles my mind why you wouldn't let them serve

they do serve

not if they are truthful

That just don't make any sense. How can they be untruthful if you aren't allowed to ask?

They're going into an arrangement where they know ahead of time if they admit something truthful about themselves if ever asked, or tell someone off the cuff something truthful about themselves, they won't be allowed to serve. I just don't see the fact that just because somebody doesn't ask you something, it's not lying that you didn't tell them.

It's a lie of omission in my book. And I would venture to guess most if not all are asked in some form by their buddies or higher ups in a social setting, i.e. talking about all the girls back home or what not... and they'd be forced to lie then

While I agree that it should be "don't ask, don't tell, don't care" I just don't agree with that logic at all. Also, nobody can ask.

I don't think you get what I'm saying...

say you're gay and me and I'm your buddy in the service and we're out for beers one night and we start shooting the shit.

"say LJ, look at the broad over there...big ole titties huh?..."

you get the general direction where that convo would head. Just because you can't "ask" if someone's gay doesn't mean you can't talk to each other like a guy, and in some cases a gay dude would either be forced to lie, say nothing, or be honest. One instance he's outright lying, one he's lying by omission, and the third he's gettin booted out of the service...

what about straight guys who dont like big ole titties but would lie to feel like part of the group?

he wouldn't have to lie, he could say I like small titties, or medium titties, etc...the gay guy has to lie in order to stay.

Glory Days wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

Glory Days wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

derek bomar wrote: Boggles my mind why you wouldn't let them serve

they do serve

not if they are truthful

That just don't make any sense. How can they be untruthful if you aren't allowed to ask?

They're going into an arrangement where they know ahead of time if they admit something truthful about themselves if ever asked, or tell someone off the cuff something truthful about themselves, they won't be allowed to serve. I just don't see the fact that just because somebody doesn't ask you something, it's not lying that you didn't tell them.

It's a lie of omission in my book. And I would venture to guess most if not all are asked in some form by their buddies or higher ups in a social setting, i.e. talking about all the girls back home or what not... and they'd be forced to lie then

While I agree that it should be "don't ask, don't tell, don't care" I just don't agree with that logic at all. Also, nobody can ask.

I don't think you get what I'm saying...

say you're gay and me and I'm your buddy in the service and we're out for beers one night and we start shooting the shit.

"say LJ, look at the broad over there...big ole titties huh?..."

you get the general direction where that convo would head. Just because you can't "ask" if someone's gay doesn't mean you can't talk to each other like a guy, and in some cases a gay dude would either be forced to lie, say nothing, or be honest. One instance he's outright lying, one he's lying by omission, and the third he's gettin booted out of the service...

what about straight guys who dont like big ole titties but would lie to feel like part of the group?

he wouldn't have to lie, he could say I like small titties, or medium titties, etc...the gay guy has to lie in order to stay.

and the gay guy could say "no, i dont like big titties". where is the lie there?

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
and I don't agree with your disagreement...bottom line is gays can't openly serve. Can't really see how you can think not being able to be open is somehow not lying, but whatever bro

So not being openly hetero is lying too? I honestly don't believe any sexual preference should be allowed to "openly" serve. It's of no consequence on being able to perform their duties, therefore should not be discussed or of anyone's concern.

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
and I don't agree with your disagreement...bottom line is gays can't openly serve. Can't really see how you can think not being able to be open is somehow not lying, but whatever bro

So not being openly hetero is lying too? I honestly don't believe any sexual preference should be allowed to "openly" serve. It's of no consequence on being able to perform their duties, therefore should not be discussed or of anyone's concern.

In a perfect world, sexual preference shouldn't matter. But since there is a policy of not allowing gays to openly serve, being openly gay causes you to be discharged...you're looking at things as if they happen in a perfect world where people don't talk about things like sex and relationships, but they do. So when that happens, the gays are forced to lie, and the straights don't have to.

derek bomar wrote: It doesn't matter if straights lie by omission or not, since there job doesn't depend on it and there's not a policy prohibiting them from being honest about something.

There shouldn't be a policy on sexual policy at all, but the current one we have forces one set to lie in order to keep their job and doesn't force that same stipulation on the other set of people...