roflmao!

RedRider1 wrote: rrfan,
you didn't hear it...no issues with kids as far as i know during the Short era. Well, you had kids be ineligible and kids transferring & deciding not to play, but that's a little different animal.

Lets take a close look at this statement (just for Fun)

ineligible: Never a coaches fault.
Had one on the JV team this Year.

Transfer:
Coming in ; AD's concern.
Leaving ; Sore subject for me,but its a family decision.
That worked out real well Lets see D3 JV team.

Deciding not to Play?
Fball and Bball on the field and on the court . Great year. Off the court, field. Unbelievable.

Again no harm intended ,but when statements are made there are always two sides.

party pooper. lol

5knots : sorry ,but i tried not to comment . As many people view this site 15,000 and growing , I would hate for those that view " The Young and The Restless Riders". soap opera to be bored.
LOL

well for your punishment you will have this song stuck in your head all day...."Every party has a pooper that's why we invited you...party pooper!"

dang...now I do as well!

rider80 wrote:

RedRider1 wrote: rrfan,
you didn't hear it...no issues with kids as far as i know during the Short era. Well, you had kids be ineligible and kids transferring & deciding not to play, but that's a little different animal.

Lets take a close look at this statement (just for Fun)

ineligible: Never a coaches fault.
Had one on the JV team this Year.

Transfer:
Coming in ; AD's concern.
Leaving ; Sore subject for me,but its a family decision.
That worked out real well Lets see D3 JV team.

Deciding not to Play?
Fball and Bball on the field and on the court . Great year. Off the court, field. Unbelievable.

Again no harm intended ,but when statements are made there are always two sides.

Like I said...a different animal.

By the way...kids making poor decisions off the court are not the fault of the coach either. Coach does not equal babysitter.

And yes, 2 sides to every story...not just the side that screams the loudest.

I guess i did'nt explain myself enough.....my fault!! I do not condone the actions of kid's messing up...was just trying to point out that kid's have been doing stuff forever!! I agree....there should be punishment!! I'm just not gonna sit here and say what should be done or not done...that's the administrator's job...and I have all the confidence in our administrator's!! (I could'nt have said that under past super's!!) I just get a kick out of people on here trying to blame coaches, teachers, and whoever else for the action's of a few or even one kid!! I agree with redrider....if you don't like what's going on or who is coaching or teaching then call the school board and express your concern's...or even better run for a position on the school board next time there is an opening!!

RedRider1 wrote: rrfan,
you didn't hear it...no issues with kids as far as i know during the Short era. Well, you had kids be ineligible and kids transferring & deciding not to play, but that's a little different animal.

You also had kids ineligible during the era's of Smith, McMillan era and Davault.

And the transfer I know about, Bates, that was part of the fact that;
a-there were other's that were better at PG than him
b-his dad wanted to be on the varsity coaching staff but wasn't chosen

Mr. Bates used to tell me that he was considering moving to Smithville when Tyler was in 8th grade, so the move really came as no surprise to me.

At what point have you ever laid responsibility for the actions of one or fifty kids at the feet of the kids and their parents?

You and your "buddies" tend to argue and disagree with rider80 and myself but your tone switches polarity as soon as 5knots states basically the same thing!

sman wrote: I guess i did'nt explain myself enough.....my fault!! I do not condone the actions of kid's messing up...was just trying to point out that kid's have been doing stuff forever!! I agree....there should be punishment!! I'm just not gonna sit here and say what should be done or not done...that's the administrator's job...and I have all the confidence in our administrator's!! (I could'nt have said that under past super's!!) I just get a kick out of people on here trying to blame coaches, teachers, and whoever else for the action's of a few or even one kid!! I agree with redrider....if you don't like what's going on or who is coaching or teaching then call the school board and express your concern's...or even better run for a position on the school board next time there is an opening!!

You don't condone, but you like so many other's are so quick to say, "they made a mistake", why are we trying to ruin their academic/athletic career. You never seem to consider the fact that they're ruining it themselves!

The people blaming the coach/coaches are those of you who don't like Short.

Considering this activity, is your "community/basketball program pride" once again diminished?

Series62 wrote:

RedRider1 wrote: rrfan,
you didn't hear it...no issues with kids as far as i know during the Short era. Well, you had kids be ineligible and kids transferring & deciding not to play, but that's a little different animal.

You also had kids ineligible during the era's of Smith, McMillan era and Davault.

And the transfer I know about, Bates, that was part of the fact that;
a-there were other's that were better at PG than him
b-his dad wanted to be on the varsity coaching staff but wasn't chosen

Mr. Bates used to tell me that he was considering moving to Smithville when Tyler was in 8th grade, so the move really came as no surprise to me.

At what point have you ever laid responsibility for the actions of one or fifty kids at the feet of the kids and their parents?

You and your "buddies" tend to argue and disagree with rider80 and myself but your tone switches polarity as soon as 5knots states basically the same thing!

Again...like I said...it's a different animal.

And you and your buddies/family seem to show up right when things turn negative. Why is that? Coincidence I'm sure.

Keep playing your petty "gotcha" game. I'm over it.

Series62- why are you talking about Short and comparing eligibility in the classroom to drinking problems?

I really don't see how the kids drinking has anything to do with Short or Coach Slaughter. Please explain what you are getting at. Or just go away and hibernate again.

series62...you are just looking to argue or put down orrville period. Where did i say anything about trying to ruin theyre academic/athletic career?? I don't care about this fued between you and the former coach verse everyone else. My pride in this town, school, and people of this town never has diminished and never will! You just don't get that...and never will.I never once mentioned any coach by name...you did. You are a disease.....all you wanna do is tarnish or put down the school and town in general and the people in it. If your so miserable why don't you move!!! You are a negative person.....please go away!!

As series62 has stated before...he's not from Orrville originally...and that's not a putdown. Take any of us from Orrville and drop us in Zanesville or 100 other towns in Ohio.....we wouldn't "get it" either.

Most of us have Orrville in our blood....he doesn't....nothing wrong with that.

rrfan wrote: Series62- why are you talking about Short and comparing eligibility in the classroom to drinking problems?

I really don't see how the kids drinking has anything to do with Short or Coach Slaughter. Please explain what you are getting at. Or just go away and hibernate again.

Read rr1's post #741.

When you review the various comments made by all of you this entire basketball season, and during/after the "drinking event" prior to the football season, and after the last basketball season, the comments made stated how the students, (especially some of those who seem to keep getting in trouble from drinking), did not respect the Short especially due to his "so-called" lack of moral character. So many of you have continually stated how Coach Davault and Coach Slaighter's high moral character has brought back the respect and pride of the athletic program and community. And whether it is a "different animal" or not, it is the issue. It is an issue of "poor performance" in and/or out of the class. orrpride said recently, "he's teaching them to be better men", as a slight against Short and his "era".

If it has nothing to do with the coaches rrfan, why didn't you speak up then. And as I've said before, the conduct of any of the young men had nothing to do with either coach!

I'm not putting Orrville down! I like the town, and I understand community pride as well as your pride in the school's athletics. But it's funny how that "pride" thing works, noone painted the bridge, put up streamers or held caravans and "brought the town" to Columbus when the wrestler and/or swimmers went to state in their sport this year. Did not those students deserve support from their school alumni and fellow Riders!

So don't assume that I don't have "Orrville" in my blood, I have 3 sons that have attended and graduated from Orrville High School, I've put in my share of miles in travelled, paid my share of academic/athletic fees, purchased shoes/t-shirts/tickets for football/basketball/track, been to volleyball games, girls basketball, and if you listened, you heard my "Go Red!" over many other shouting fans!

What I don't like is the B.S. and bias that is also practiced in sports, be it Orrville or Zaneville!
By the way, I'm not from Ohio at all!

Series62 do you think before you type? Please tell me when I ever blamed Short for an incident with a kid about drinking, drugs, or anything that a coach is not responsable for.

Please stop bringing this to Short. I don't care about his tenure because it is finally over.

Pride is back in the program ON THE COURT. Issues that Davault and Slaughter can't control do not make the program bad. It makes a bad mark on the kids, parents and they need to be delt with. Punish how ever the administration feels fit.

Also I don't care where you grew up. You have been in Orrville long enough to know what Rider Pride is.

Your point about not the same praise for all the sports...you are right! Is it fair no, but it is life. FYI for you I did go watch you son run at state and cheered on all the Riders. I did not see the wrestling championship this year, but I was so proud of him when I herd he won.

Well, basketball is over maybe it is time to close off this thread and start up on the general thread. Imagine if when we all were in school we had facebook, myspace, you tube , and internet what kind of stuff would be on there about all of us! Wow what a bunch of stupid stuff we would have had exposed for all to see. I can't believe some of the pictures on facebook and you tube of kids today. Of course I think a few pictures have been taken off some profiles by now. Hopefully! I think I'll relax until some football talk gets started up. Just think of the stink in Louisville football right now. It's a mixed up world right now.

Riders1,
wow...had not heard that until you mentioned it. Farrah resigns at Louisville. What a mess for him personally.

Some of the speculation as to his sudden resignation (on other sites) would make any Orrville huddler blush....now that's chatter worthy of a legal action.

It never fails that I can come on here and get a chuckle on a day I am extremely stressed. I can always count on you men for that!!

I am not going to try to jump into this Short/Slaughter being held responsible for the actions of their athletes off the court. That is what their (the athletes) parents are for. I do think it is the coaches responsibility to talk to their players about character and try their best to help mold these teenagers into young men and women.

Yes, nothing will be accomplished by discussing this on a public forum as such and just as other posters have stated, contact the school administration and/or the police since it is a crime. If you have a personal relationship with any of the middle school and/or high school students take time out of your busy schedule and talk to them about life and all of that goes with it. Be active in their lives. Just because you aren't their parent doesn't mean you have to sit on the sideline and watch them make bad decisions.

And, yes kids will be kids. But, at some point, an "example" will need to be made. If kids keep seeing a light punishment such as sitting out one quarter, one half, or one/two games that will not deter them from their actions. Make it a stiff penalty and maybe they will begin to think twice before making some of their decisions.

And, RR1 - I POLITELY ask that you please do not make the statement that series 62's family is on here being negative. Keep your comments directed to him and him alone. I am his family and I have not said anything negative about the current coach and I NEVER will since he is a friend of mine and has been for over 25 years.

Everyone else - since the whole issue with these kids (in this situation) seems to be settled, why can't everyone just move on? It seems as if this happens frequently on Orrville's threads - the same issue keeps going on and on and on like a broken record.

Whether we are all from Orrville, used to live in Orrville, or currently live in Orrville - I truly believe that we all want what is best for the kids and the community. Let's try to remember that!!!!

You've not been negative to the current coach....not sure where I ever said that.

I thought the "kids have been doing this for years" comment was a little over the top, that's all.

That's not productive, but you're right, not much on this thread is....so let's move on.

RR1 - Check your post yesterday at 1:11pm. I sent you a PM about my "over the top" comment.

But, yes, LET'S ALL MOVE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am a little late getting in here but congrats to the Riders on a great season!!!

^^Got it.

I'm cool with moving on....end of the day we all have our own priorities. Let's worry about those and let the parents of these kids and the admins do their job.

Never know when any of us might be in a similar situation.

Imjustme- I am hurt...I thought we were all family on here. One big Happy Rider Family!

Happy Easter everybody!

^^Ditto....let's make 'Good Friday' a day of peace among the Orrville huddlers.