HitsRus;1877076 wrote:A business/ owner has the prerogative to get behind whatever causes he chooses, but he better have a handle on the bottom line of that choice, or they are a fool.

Agree 100%. To argue that the employee isn't part of the constituency that need to be considered would be equally foolish as they significantly affect the bottom line.

Minding your bottom line is NEVER obsolete. Employees that “ demand” a business “stand for something” that affects the bottom line of that business negatively, will not be employed for very long.

They will, they will be employed by competitors, and there's a good chance they'll eat your lunch.

Take that to the bank.

I do, moreso after I embraced the truth that great employees are at least as important as customers, as the latter are often far easier to replace.

ptown_trojans_1;1877077 wrote:LOL as I knew when it happened QO would be all over it.
If Obama or Biden did the same thing for whatever reason he would be losing his shit and calling for their impeachment.

This is true, but you can flip on the script on you and it's the same shit.

The American Legion and the VFW have both slammed the players. Many/most of the local chapters of these organizations have turned off the games completely and some members have turned in all NFL gear and burned it. Obviously that will not make headlines in major media outlets, but the local papers are certainly taking notice.

like_that;1877033 wrote:I am seeing more headlines about nfl ratings being down. Haven’t looked into it, but it seems like Goodell and the owners are starting to feel the pressure.

I don’t think NFL ratings are down solely because of the anthem issue, but at this point you would have to be very naive to think it is not part of the equation.

Agreed, shit rolls down hill and at the top of the hill is Roger Gooddell. nuff said

QuakerOats;1877095 wrote:The American Legion and the VFW have both slammed the players. Many/most of the local chapters of these organizations have turned off the games completely and some members have turned in all NFL gear and burned it. Obviously that will not make headlines in major media outlets, but the local papers are certainly taking notice.

True, but those establishments are usually ran and full of old, crusty white vets who hate, well, pretty much every thing that goes on today.


Back in my day,...........

thavoice;1877099 wrote:True, but those establishments are usually ran and full of old, crusty white vets who hate, well, pretty much every thing that goes on today.


Back in my day,...........

A decent amount of truth. The games are background noise for non-stop discussion of the greatest days of their lives - when they were 18. Similar to the middle-age and above hi skool football creepers like JJ and friends, whose lives were never as good as their school days.

thavoice;1877099 wrote:True, but those establishments are usually ran and full of old, crusty white vets who hate, well, pretty much every thing that goes on today.


Back in my day,...........

Denise Rohan is the national commander of the American Legion........ she seems pretty top notch.

QuakerOats;1877095 wrote:Many/most of the local chapters of these organizations have turned off the games completely and some members have turned in all NFL gear and burned it.

Burned their gear? Where are we? In Berlin in 1935. Is burning merchandise you purchased yourself sound judgement? You probably know the story of the southern DJ's that had listeners bring their Beatles albums to public burnings because of Lennon's comment about them being "more popular than Jesus". That probably seemed like a great decision to those people at the time. With the benefit of history and hindsight, they now look like complete jackasses for destroying their own property to protest someone famous holding an opinion they didn't like.

These jersey burners are probably the same people who believe stockpiling guns is the true measure of patriotism.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1877119 wrote:
These jersey burners are probably the same people who believe stockpiling guns is the true measure of patriotism.

Is "stockpiling" guns really a thing, or is it just a word meant to get a reaction?

queencitybuckeye;1877124 wrote:Is "stockpiling" guns really a thing, or is it just a word meant to get a reaction?

It's very much a real thing. I went to a Cabela's a few days after Sandy Hook, it was chaos.

QuakerOats;1877106 wrote:Denise Rohan is the national commander of the American Legion........ she seems pretty top notch.

Um. So? You disagreeing with my sentiment on who generally are in those establishments at any given time who have those attitudes?

HitsRus;1877076 wrote:A business/ owner has the prerogative to get behind whatever causes he chooses, but he better have a handle on the bottom line of that choice, or they are a fool. Minding your bottom line is NEVER obsolete.

This is obviously absolutely true. There might be things that an employer is willing to allow which hurt the bottom line if it keeps employees content or give him some positive PR, of course, as keeping employees saves money when compared to having to find and hire new one, and PR firms cost money as well. But if something slims the margins to an uncomfortable level in the eyes of the owners, they do have a right to make changes.

HitsRus;1877076 wrote:Employees that “ demand” a business “stand for something” that affects the bottom line of that business negatively, will not be employed for very long. Take that to the bank.

This I don't agree with as strongly. Well, I do for the vast majority of employees, but I think this hangs on two key elements:

1. How competitive the industry is
2. How replaceable a given employee is

If you're in a hyper-competitive industry, and you've got an industry dominator in your ranks, the odds are that you'll give them a pretty long leash. Now, you're not going to let them tank your business, of course, but there is absolutely a risk that if you let them go, you end up replacing them with someone who isn't as good while they get picked up by a competitor and continue to be industry dominators for the competition.

QuakerOats;1877095 wrote:The American Legion and the VFW have both slammed the players. Many/most of the local chapters of these organizations have turned off the games completely and some members have turned in all NFL gear and burned it. Obviously that will not make headlines in major media outlets, but the local papers are certainly taking notice.

Thing is, turning in gear and apparel you've already purchased to be burned doesn't hurt the NFL's bottom line, so I'm not sure that part should make any news. It's really kind of silly (but then, I thought the same when Cavs fans burned their James jerseys ... any jersey burning seems dumb to me).

Not sure about what sort of impact it makes that they don't have it on in the chapters. I'd wager it hurts more with the number of individual people turning it off in their homes.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1877119 wrote:Burned their gear? Where are we? In Berlin in 1935. Is burning merchandise you purchased yourself sound judgement? You probably know the story of the southern DJ's that had listeners bring their Beatles albums to public burnings because of Lennon's comment about them being "more popular than Jesus". That probably seemed like a great decision to those people at the time. With the benefit of history and hindsight, they now look like complete jackasses for destroying their own property to protest someone famous holding an opinion they didn't like.

These jersey burners are probably the same people who believe stockpiling guns is the true measure of patriotism.

I am just relaying what is happening.

O-Trap;1877131 wrote:Thing is, turning in gear and apparel you've already purchased to be burned doesn't hurt the NFL's bottom line, so I'm not sure that part should make any news. It's really kind of silly (but then, I thought the same when Cavs fans burned their James jerseys ... any jersey burning seems dumb to me).

Not sure about what sort of impact it makes that they don't have it on in the chapters. I'd wager it hurts more with the number of individual people turning it off in their homes.

The NFL is a big brand; having patriots (the real ones) burning your brand ................ mega problematic.

QuakerOats;1877143 wrote:The NFL is a big brand; having patriots (the real ones) burning your brand ................ mega problematic.

Eh, I don't think so. I don't think burning a jersey says as much about the NFL as it does about those burning the jerseys.

Switch the paradigm. If liberals are burning flags, do you think it hurts the perception of the US or its flag?

For the record, I hold a consistent position in both cases. Do whatever you want, but it's silly and inconsequential either way.

O-Trap;1877131 wrote:This is obviously absolutely true. There might be things that an employer is willing to allow which hurt the bottom line if it keeps employees content or give him some positive PR, of course, as keeping employees saves money when compared to having to find and hire new one, and PR firms cost money as well. But if something slims the margins to an uncomfortable level in the eyes of the owners, they do have a right to make changes.



This I don't agree with as strongly. Well, I do for the vast majority of employees, but I think this hangs on two key elements:

1. How competitive the industry is
2. How replaceable a given employee is

If you're in a hyper-competitive industry, and you've got an industry dominator in your ranks, the odds are that you'll give them a pretty long leash. Now, you're not going to let them tank your business, of course, but there is absolutely a risk that if you let them go, you end up replacing them with someone who isn't as good while they get picked up by a competitor and continue to be industry dominators for the competition.



Thing is, turning in gear and apparel you've already purchased to be burned doesn't hurt the NFL's bottom line, so I'm not sure that part should make any news. It's really kind of silly (but then, I thought the same when Cavs fans burned their James jerseys ... any jersey burning seems dumb to me).

Not sure about what sort of impact it makes that they don't have it on in the chapters. I'd wager it hurts more with the number of individual people turning it off in their homes.

but if they follow up those burnings with not buying any more apparrel, or attending games, or watching then yes it becomes problematic

thavoice;1877166 wrote:but if they follow up those burnings with not buying any more apparrel, or attending games, or watching then yes it becomes problematic

Personally, I haven't bought a team hat or jersey since I was a teenager. LMAO at the people who don't own a good shirt, but have several $100 jerseys.

QO, can you please describe the demographic at whom that meme is directed?

ernest_t_bass;1877170 wrote:QO, can you please describe the demographic at whom that meme is directed?

I think it's obvious.





Criminals

thavoice;1877171 wrote:I think it's obvious.

Criminals

Oh, so the NFL players kneeling are criminals?

ernest_t_bass;1877172 wrote:Oh, so the NFL players kneeling are criminals?

Your so obtuse. Obviously it states that if people want to kneel so badly then do so when they are asked to by the police.

Not suprising. My openly racist friend posted that same meme on his FB wall. :laugh:

ernest_t_bass;1877170 wrote:QO, can you please describe the demographic at whom that meme is directed?

Dem’s gittin’ upiity. Were a day when dem knowed dare places. Me ‘n’ mine, we
got us one word fer dem. Day ain’t better not show dare faces round dis town. I got me a darne shotgun shell within one of dem upity one’s name wrote right on it.

QuakerOats;1877168 wrote:

This attitude explains the poisonous vitriol you had for Obama. That boy didn’t know his place.