gut;1859769 wrote:Ummm, yeah, I said that practically verbatim in my post. Did you choose to ignore that, or did your subconscious prevent you from reading it because you actually believe only the right does this and you're just pretending to be neutral on the issue?

I'd agree most people are fairly even keeled, although most anyone I've had the conversation with that is liberal or leans left thinks Fox is complete garbage - so the liberal media has been at least as effective at convincing their followers that Fox is worse and to be dismissed and Fox and Rush have with their followers and the mainstream media.

And the fact remains, nearly all the media is very biased and prone to hyperbole and mistakes...and that's the mainstream ones were talking about (VOX, Breitbart and the like are practically on par with US Weekly and The National Enquirer). Comedians, talking heads and even tech bloggers are extremely polarized. So, sure, while the average person isn't uber partisan it's pretty difficult to find any news source that doesn't try really hard to pretend it isn't.

Conservative media says liberal media lies, and liberal media says conservative media is stupid (or racist,etc). One makes a fake appeal to moralism and family values, the other makes an intellectually dishonest appeal to academic and cultural elitism.

I think we are in agreement.

University of the Arts professor ofhumanities and media studies Camille Paglia railed against the currentstate of journalism in America.
Pagliacalled what she said the Democratic Party had done to journalism “absolutelygrotesque” and warned it would take decades to recover.
“It’sobscene,” she said. “It’s outrageous, OK? It shows that the Democrats arenothing now but words and fantasy and hallucination and Hollywood. There’s no journalism left. What’shappened to The New York Times? What’s happened to the major networks? It’s anoutrage.”
“I’ma professor of media studies, in addition to a professor of humanities, OK?”she continued. “And I think it’s absolutely grotesque the way my party hasdestroyed journalism. Right now, it is going to take decades to recover fromthis atrocity that’s going on where the news media have turned themselves overto the most childish fraternity, kind of buffoonish behavior.”



And she is a liberal.

From Team Trump this morning:

"It's clear, the democrats are in the business of buying elections. We're in the business of winning them."





LOL

QuakerOats;1859822 wrote:From Team Trump this morning:

"It's clear, the democrats are in the business of buying elections. We're in the business of winning them."




LOL

rekt

gut;1859769 wrote:Ummm, yeah, I said that practically verbatim in my post. Did you choose to ignore that, or did your subconscious prevent you from reading it because you actually believe only the right does this and you're just pretending to be neutral on the issue?

I'd agree most people are fairly even keeled, although most anyone I've had the conversation with that is liberal or leans left thinks Fox is complete garbage - so the liberal media has been at least as effective at convincing their followers that Fox is worse and to be dismissed and Fox and Rush have with their followers and the mainstream media.

And the fact remains, nearly all the media is very biased and prone to hyperbole and mistakes...and that's the mainstream ones were talking about (VOX, Breitbart and the like are practically on par with US Weekly and The National Enquirer). Comedians, talking heads and even tech bloggers are extremely polarized. So, sure, while the average person isn't uber partisan it's pretty difficult to find any news source that doesn't try really hard to pretend it isn't.

Conservative media says liberal media lies, and liberal media says conservative media is stupid (or racist,etc). One makes a fake appeal to moralism and family values, the other makes an intellectually dishonest appeal to academic and cultural elitism.

Fucking aye.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-foxconn-strategy-idUSKBN19D0AH


Bigly

QuakerOats;1859941 wrote:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-foxconn-strategy-idUSKBN19D0AH


Bigly

I wouldn't take anything Foxconn says seriously.

http://www.pennlive.com/nation-world/2017/03/how_foxconns_broken_pledges_in.html

Spock;1858476 wrote:
I listened to Hannity today .

Spock;1859698 wrote:
THe lack of journalism and the media bias leads most uneducated young people thinking that what they see and here every night on the news is real. Like the whole Russia BS....the left wing media conspiracy to push that narrative on every channel makes people think that it was actually true.

What do you mean Russia BS?

salto;1859991 wrote:What do you mean Russia BS?

Someone show anyone actual evidence that someone in Russia did something then it won't be BS.

Spock;1860005 wrote:Someone show anyone actual evidence that someone in Russia did something then it won't be BS.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/national-security/obama-putin-election-hacking/?utm_term=.1500eefc29bd

ptown_trojans_1;1860027 wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/national-security/obama-putin-election-hacking/?utm_term=.1500eefc29bd

If even half of this glorified op-ed is true, Obama should be tried for treason.

ptown_trojans_1;1860027 wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/national-security/obama-putin-election-hacking/?utm_term=.1500eefc29bd

So basically if that is true.....Russia TRIED to interfere. WHat they did had no bearing on someone in the voting booth. They didnt hack into voting machines and votes werent changed.

Here is what came of this:

1. The article, if true, clearly shows that Obama played partisan politics instead of defending our government and way of life here in the US. For that he should be thrown in jail for treason against the US

2. THe article, if true, shows that what Russia actually did was by-pass the media and actually put the truth about the real rigging of the election by the Dems to undermine Bernie. You have to remember the Russia thing is nothing more than an email dump from the DNC and Clintons illegal server.

Trump had nothing to do with any of it. He is being portrayed by the media as the bad guy. He had no clue this wass going on.

It seriously doubt any Trump collusion. I do think Trump got tired of hearing about it and may have try to strong arm it going away which would be an ok thing for the CEO of a private enterprise to do which is what he's used to. I think he did it reflexively and not out of any intent to actively obstruct any investigation. It's his bully tactics, big mouth, and political naivete that may be the only thing that could undo him. I'm not sure he intended to do anything wrong. I still think all he had to do was shut his mouth and this is over by now but he's not mature enough to do that.

As I've said before I'm hit and miss on actual Trump policy (more miss than hit but not blind hatred). That said, I'm all in on thoroughly disliking him as a person.

There is going to be extreme butthurt if all that comes of this is a "smidgeon of corruption" from DNC, Clinton and the Obama administration.

Which, if you find nothing then you have to ask the question of how and why we got started on this in the first place. When Clinton didn't win to preserve his legacy, I think Obama resorted to trying to block the Repub agenda by burying them in scandal.

gut;1860103 wrote:There is going to be extreme butthurt if all that comes of this is a "smidgeon of corruption" from DNC, Clinton and the Obama administration.

Which, if you find nothing then you have to ask the question of how and why we got started on this in the first place. When Clinton didn't win to preserve his legacy, I think Obama resorted to trying to block the Repub agenda by burying them in scandal.

What the leftover Obama Administration did was bury the Clinton crap and push the trump/Russia agenda.

Spock;1860115 wrote:What the leftover Obama Administration did was bury the Clinton crap and push the trump/Russia agenda.

I won't say "bury" or "push" at this point, but we ultimately need a determination of what was justified. If you find nothing on the Trump campaign (which we still don't know, though it seems there is nothing thus far), then I think it's going to be difficult for all this to have been justified, which would go into abuses of power for political gain.

Manufactured "intel", for lack of a better word, from Russia seems to have played into both the Comey/Lynch dynamic (the reported fake emails from Wasserman-Nutz about Lynch keepiing the email investigation clear) and also the collusion narrative (the infamous Dossier).

It might have been a geniusly devious Russian plot: First you get the US looking at you with the hacking attempts, then planting carefully orchestrated fake intel to be discovered and create all kinds of chaos and doubt. Makes anything anyone thinks someone here did look completely amateur in comparison. Funny thing is, if it wasn't Clinton and Trump I don't think anyone takes this seriously enough for it to work.

ptown_trojans_1;1860027 wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/national-security/obama-putin-election-hacking/?utm_term=.1500eefc29bd

From what I read here the republicans did nothing wrong and the democrats have lousy security.

FatHobbit;1860120 wrote:From what I read here the republicans did nothing wrong and the democrats have lousy security.

But but but....RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!

One benefit to Trump of the Russia stuff is that it helps distract people from the total incompetence of he and his staff.

https://www.fool.com/retirement/2017/06/25/treasury-secretary-steven-mnuchin-just-laid-out-a.aspx

Sounds like a couple of viable plans for Social Security. Too bad the two parties can't work together on any issue for fear of making the other party look good. Both parties are guilty of putting party before country.

ptown_trojans_1;1860027 wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/national-security/obama-putin-election-hacking/?utm_term=.1500eefc29bd

So according to this, Obama knew about Russian meddling in August but stood in front of the American in October and said that meddling could never happen.

ppaw1999;1860201 wrote:Too bad the two parties can't work together on any issue for fear of making the other party look good. Both parties are guilty of putting party before country.

This is what happens when we, as a country, allow politics to become a career....and a path to wealth. It's part of why lobbying is so effective, although I think it's pure folly to think you can tax and regulate industry effectively without input from industry.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court is letting a limited version of the Trump administration ban on travel from six mostly Muslim countries to take effect, a victory for President Donald Trump in the biggest legal controversy of his young presidency.
The court said Monday the ban on visitors from Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen could be enforced as long as they lack a "credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States." The justices will hear arguments in the case in October.
Trump said last week that the ban would take effect 72 hours after being cleared by courts.

US Business Borrowing For Equipment Up 13 Percent In May.

Reuters (6/22) reports that “borrowing by U.S. companies to spend on long-term investments rose 13 percent in May from a year earlier, a survey by trade group showed, indicating higher confidence in the economy’s growth prospects.” Reuters adds, “Companies signed up for $7.7 billion in new loans, leases and lines of credit in May, according to the Equipment Leasing and Finance Association (ELFA).” The article quotes ELFA Chief Executive Ralph Petta saying, “Although certain verticals and industry sectors are performing better than others, overall demand for capital equipment continues the positive momentum begun in the first few months of the year.”

Dow Jones Business News (6/22, Martin) reports that “Samsung Electronics Co. is in late-stage discussions to invest about $300 million to expand its U.S. production facilities.” The article adds, “The facility eyed by Samsung is in Newberry, S.C., a town located about 150 miles northwest of the port of Charleston, the people said, with plans to shift over some production of oven ranges made currently in Mexico.” Dow Jones Business News writes that “the investment could generate around 500 jobs, and though the start date is unclear, production would likely begin next year.” It adds, “Samsung could eventually ramp up U.S. manufacturing of refrigerators, washers, dryers and other home appliances in subsequent years.”
Braskem To Invest $675M In Texas Facility.

Seeking Alpha (6/22) reports that “Latin American petrochemical company Braskem says it will invest $675M to build what it says will become North America’s largest polypropylene production line at its existing manufacturing site in La Porte, Tex.” The article adds that Braskem “says the plant will have the capacity to produce 450K metric tons/year of polypropylene; it expects to complete construction in Q1 2020.”

QuakerOats;1860287 wrote:WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court is letting a limited version of the Trump administration ban on travel from six mostly Muslim countries to take effect, a victory for President Donald Trump in the biggest legal controversy of his young presidency.
The court said Monday the ban on visitors from Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen could be enforced as long as they lack a "credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States." The justices will hear arguments in the case in October.
Trump said last week that the ban would take effect 72 hours after being cleared by courts.

By the way .....that was a 9-0 decision by the SUPREME COURT