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Mar 1, 2017 8:28 AM
In my eyes, it was a good enough speech that those still bashing it, probably can't ever be pleased no matter what legislation or orders go through. For the extreme, complete removal and giving them control is the only outcome. There was a similar group during the Obama presidency and the problem is the number in these groups are growing larger than ever.
Mar 1, 2017 8:28am
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Mar 1, 2017 8:35 AM
Didn't watch, but not surprised the speech went well. It was a controlled environment for trump.
Mar 1, 2017 8:35am
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Mar 1, 2017 9:23 AM
It makes me wonder sometimes if you could please the majority, regardless of what you say or believe, by just being "respectful and nice." I disagreed with most of what Obama did, but you have to be impressed with how smooth he was in doing most of it.
Mar 1, 2017 9:23am
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Mar 1, 2017 9:48 AM
When you control the media, you control the masses. It's not that impressive really.
Mar 1, 2017 9:48am
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Mar 1, 2017 10:38 AM
Good speech ..............time for Congress to get rolling with implementation. They need to get off their ass and move. This is not rocket science.
Mar 1, 2017 10:38am
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Mar 1, 2017 11:45 AM
friendfromlowry;1839103 wrote:you wouldn't have anyone's dick to suck then

He'd have the Republican rebuttal person to suck off, so he'd still get his workout in.
Mar 1, 2017 11:45am
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Mar 1, 2017 12:53 PM
Con_Alma;1839117 wrote:I have no problem holding feet to the fire to cut the waste.

...but until every cruise/mission is fully staffed with all the men an equipment needed....the military isn't being funded properly.
It's funded just fine. With $125B in waste, funding is not the problem. Spending is the problem.
Mar 1, 2017 12:53pm
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Mar 1, 2017 1:01 PM
we disagree.
Mar 1, 2017 1:01pm
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Mar 1, 2017 1:21 PM
I agree with gut. They don't need more funding, they need smarter funding.
Mar 1, 2017 1:21pm
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Mar 1, 2017 1:26 PM
Spending is the problem is almost every department. Most of the solutions hardly ever address lessening the waste, instead, they focus on trying to find more money.
Mar 1, 2017 1:26pm
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Mar 1, 2017 1:43 PM
Con_Alma;1839212 wrote:we disagree.
You keep writing blank checks you create no incentive to spend the money more wisely. I've seen department after department run equally and often more effectively when their budget got CUT.

Increasing the budget $65B is just going to lead to additional waste. You never just throw more money at a problem. They have plenty of funding - they need to get much smarter how they use that funding.

When you say "missions aren't properly funded", you're speaking in terms of what was REQUESTED, right? Why does everyone associate spending increases with military strength when we are already spending 3X as much as anyone else?
Mar 1, 2017 1:43pm
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Mar 1, 2017 1:45 PM
gut;1839223 wrote:...

When you say "missions aren't properly funded", you're speaking in terms of what was REQUESTED, right? ...
...with respect to staffed man hours, yes.

The checks aren't blank. The appropriations committee and congress do have a say.
Mar 1, 2017 1:45pm
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Mar 1, 2017 1:47 PM
Azubuike24;1839218 wrote:Spending is the problem is almost every department. Most of the solutions hardly ever address lessening the waste, instead, they focus on trying to find more money.
There is a ton of waste; everywhere. But, the real problem are the hundreds of programs and departments that we simply do not need. Eliminate them, now; save several hundred billion, every year.
Mar 1, 2017 1:47pm
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Mar 1, 2017 1:52 PM
It wasn't that long ago that the US Navy was at pre-WWI levels and carrying out way more cruises. Fast, immediate deployment based on need was/is throttled significantly. It has since improved slightly but not nearly enough.

Meanwhile we have accelerating, unsustainable entitlement programs that aren't being addressed at all.
Mar 1, 2017 1:52pm
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Mar 1, 2017 1:52 PM
QuakerOats;1839226 wrote:There is a ton of waste; everywhere. But, the real problem are the hundreds of programs and departments that we simply do not need. Eliminate them, now; save several hundred billion, every year.
Only if you go after entitlements and military spending. The rest is less than $500B - 40% would be a huge number and that's only $200B. And let's not forget Trump wants to cut taxes BIGLY. What I was hearing last night is a deficit easily pushing north of $1T, and that's not including the $1T infrastructure investment he wants to make.
Mar 1, 2017 1:52pm
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Mar 1, 2017 1:52 PM
This actually shocked the hell out of me. Never thought I'd see the day lol

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Mar 1, 2017 1:52pm
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Mar 1, 2017 1:54 PM
Con_Alma;1839227 wrote: Meanwhile we have accelerating, unsustainable entitlement programs that aren't being addressed at all.
A lot of people think spending more than the next 15 countries combined on military isn't sustainable, either.
Mar 1, 2017 1:54pm
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Mar 1, 2017 1:57 PM
CenterBHSFan;1839229 wrote:This actually shocked the hell out of me. Never thought I'd see the day lol
Well, if he stops being a circus clown maybe some on the left will actually give him a chance.

There's also the fact that his speech pretty much promised to do everything proposed in the last 20 years or so....while cutting taxes bigly. Everything is awesome!!!!
Mar 1, 2017 1:57pm
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Mar 1, 2017 1:59 PM
gut;1839230 wrote:A lot of people think spending more than the next 15 countries combined on military isn't sustainable, either.
This is not new information to me. I simply disagree with it. I'm not suggesting an asymptotically increasing amount so I tend to disagree with those folks.
Mar 1, 2017 1:59pm
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Mar 1, 2017 2:09 PM
gut;1839232 wrote:Well, if he stops being a circus clown maybe some on the left will actually give him a chance.

There's also the fact that his speech pretty much promised to do everything proposed in the last 20 years or so....while cutting taxes bigly. Everything is awesome!!!!
Ah, the old Obama approach. Promise the world at the beginning and then step back and play the blame game when reality interjects and your promises aren't made. Looking forward to many years of Twitter-bitching as his plans fail due to not being remotely economically feasible.
Mar 1, 2017 2:09pm
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Mar 1, 2017 2:13 PM
gut;1839228 wrote:Only if you go after entitlements and military spending. The rest is less than $500B - 40% would be a huge number and that's only $200B. And let's not forget Trump wants to cut taxes BIGLY. What I was hearing last night is a deficit easily pushing north of $1T, and that's not including the $1T infrastructure investment he wants to make.
Obviously entitlements need to be addressed, and I would start with welfare. I am damn sick and tired of watching deadbeats roam the streets doing nothing all day but giving rise to the drug business while collecting food stamps and medical care for themselves and their illegitimate babies. If they want to live like that, they should do it on their nickel.

Then: eliminate the DoE - $74 billion, right now; cut the IRS budget in half -- save $6 billion; then dismantle the tax code and perhaps eliminate IRS altogether - save $12 billion. Eliminate 80% of the EPA - save $6 billion. And on and on and on.....whack at least 25% from every other department except defense.

Then, stop handing out SS disability to all the people who actually don't deserve it, which is probably half - recoup untold billions. Then privatize SS to preserve its future, and allow The People to keep their own money and leave it to their heirs.

Then move on to Medicare, and that is a whole other subject.

I can't believe we sit around wringing our hands over what to do; turnaround professionals could whip the budget into shape in a heartbeat, and hardly anyone would know otherwise. Would the Northern VA suburbs take a hit; your God damn right, and deservedly so. Big fucking deal.
Mar 1, 2017 2:13pm
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Mar 1, 2017 2:26 PM
QuakerOats;1839241 wrote:Obviously entitlements need to be addressed, and I would start with welfare. I am damn sick and tired of watching deadbeats roam the streets doing nothing all day but giving rise to the drug business while collecting food stamps and medical care for themselves and their illegitimate babies. If they want to live like that, they should do it on their nickel.

Then: eliminate the DoE - $74 billion, right now; cut the IRS budget in half -- save $6 billion; then dismantle the tax code and perhaps eliminate IRS altogether - save $12 billion. Eliminate 80% of the EPA - save $6 billion. And on and on and on.....whack at least 25% from every other department except defense.

Then, stop handing out SS disability to all the people who actually don't deserve it, which is probably half - recoup untold billions. Then privatize SS to preserve its future, and allow The People to keep their own money and leave it to their heirs.

Then move on to Medicare, and that is a whole other subject.

I can't believe we sit around wringing our hands over what to do; turnaround professionals could whip the budget into shape in a heartbeat, and hardly anyone would know otherwise. Would the Northern VA suburbs take a hit; your God damn right, and deservedly so. Big fucking deal.
Few things.
1. A social safety net is needed for people that are really poor and on welfare, because if not, it draws down society as a whole. (Drug treatment, incarceration increases, crime increases, etc. ). Some sort of net is needed. Should there be reform and better ways to weed out fraud, sure. But, to just get rid of it, does more harm than good.

2. DOE budget is not $74B. I'm not sure where you got that. It is usually in the 30s. I'll also add most of the Energy budget is related to nuclear weapons upkeep and the national labs. Soooo, that is not going away. So really, you are only cutting a few billion of non-nuclear items, if that.

3. In today's political environment, there is no way you can feasible eliminate the IRS. Sure you may be able to cut it, but short of a Constitutional amendment, it is not going away.

4. EPA, ok fine. But, the moment the air and water starts to degrade in certain areas of the country, I will blame Trump. The next Flint is around the corner, and that would be on Trump. Don't complain the next time drinking water is contaminated.

5. SS disability. I agree there are areas to reform that, and I am all for it. I just have not seen a popular plan that is politically feasible. I have yet to see one actual plan on privatizing SS that is feasible as well. Easy to say, hard to do.

Your last sentence is just full of smugness and arrogance. You are casting the same stones you blasted people in the DC for being. People in the DC area are not better than you, nor are you better than them. I do not wish financial harm on families in Ohio, and neither should you in VA.
Mar 1, 2017 2:26pm
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Mar 1, 2017 2:35 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1839251 wrote: 3. In today's political environment, there is no way you can feasible eliminate the IRS.
This is such a ridiculous pipe dream. Fine - eliminate the IRS. Then you'll have to create the "Sales Tax Revenue Service" to collect and ensure businesses are paying what they are supposed to. So long as you have a federal budget, you're going to need someone to collect the money and make sure people aren't cheating.

It's like saying a company doesn't need a collections or accounts receivable department. Just naively foolish.
Mar 1, 2017 2:35pm
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Mar 1, 2017 3:35 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1839251 wrote:Few things.
1. A social safety net is needed for people that are really poor and on welfare, because if not, it draws down society as a whole. (Drug treatment, incarceration increases, crime increases, etc. ). Some sort of net is needed. Should there be reform and better ways to weed out fraud, sure. But, to just get rid of it, does more harm than good.

2. DOE budget is not $74B. I'm not sure where you got that. It is usually in the 30s. I'll also add most of the Energy budget is related to nuclear weapons upkeep and the national labs. Soooo, that is not going away. So really, you are only cutting a few billion of non-nuclear items, if that.

3. In today's political environment, there is no way you can feasible eliminate the IRS. Sure you may be able to cut it, but short of a Constitutional amendment, it is not going away.

4. EPA, ok fine. But, the moment the air and water starts to degrade in certain areas of the country, I will blame Trump. The next Flint is around the corner, and that would be on Trump. Don't complain the next time drinking water is contaminated.

5. SS disability. I agree there are areas to reform that, and I am all for it. I just have not seen a popular plan that is politically feasible. I have yet to see one actual plan on privatizing SS that is feasible as well. Easy to say, hard to do.

Your last sentence is just full of smugness and arrogance. You are casting the same stones you blasted people in the DC for being. People in the DC area are not better than you, nor are you better than them. I do not wish financial harm on families in Ohio, and neither should you in VA.

I did not say we should eliminate welfare, or the safety net, completely. Obviously there are some truly in need and they can get temporary assistance.

DOE budget is indeed in excess of $70 billion.

I said cut the IRS budget in half, then possibly eliminate it in the future if we dismantle the tax code. If it were sales tax collections that needed to be monitored it could be done for less than $200 million. Save $12 billion.


We have massive redundancy regarding EPA; every state has one ............if we wish to spend $500 million coordinating oversight among states etc... we will save $8 billion, not counting the economic impact of getting these marxists off the ass of business.

Fixing SS is actually easy to do, except when you are a ***** politician.

And as for the last sentence, I have no respect for those in DC who have raped, plundered and pillaged the vast heartland of the nation and its people, nor do I, or anyone, have an obligation to continue to fund such horrific policy and actions.
Mar 1, 2017 3:35pm
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Mar 1, 2017 3:37 PM
gut;1839256 wrote:This is such a ridiculous pipe dream. Fine - eliminate the IRS. Then you'll have to create the "Sales Tax Revenue Service" to collect and ensure businesses are paying what they are supposed to. So long as you have a federal budget, you're going to need someone to collect the money and make sure people aren't cheating.

It's like saying a company doesn't need a collections or accounts receivable department. Just naively foolish.

"we can't do it" ........................... cry me a God damn river. We can do whatever we want to do; we just need to have the balls to do it. And frankly, this would be a piece of cake once the code is dismantled.
Mar 1, 2017 3:37pm