Non qbs have more passes attempted this year than Cook's career.

I still think the raiders can handle the Texans.

Packers SHOULD beat the Giants but there are times the NYG just show up and make you wonder where that has been all year.

Seahawks should easily dispatch the Lions.

Steelers should also beat the Phins.

but it is the NFL and you just. never. know.

thavoice;1831612 wrote:Non qbs have more passes attempted this year than Cook's career.

Since he's a rookie who only played in one game this season, that stat has no actual meaning.

I feel for the Raiders, I was pulling for them to make some noise in the postseason. Mack has become one of my favorite players to watch.


It will be in the teens and feel like single digits in Pittsburgh. For once I hope they just take care of business and roll.

Chargers moving to LA next year. Raiders to Vegas is also happening for sure.

wildcats20;1832454 wrote:Chargers moving to LA next year. Raiders to Vegas is also happening for sure.

I respect the voters in San Diego who were smart enough to not let yet another NFL extort money from the tax base to build yet another over-the-top stadium/playground on the public dime. F*** the NFL. The loss of a team will have negligible economic impact on the city. The league loves to play that card, but it is total BS. Cities succeed of fail based upon the totality of their economic generators, not a mere football team. Watching cities that can ill afford it (e.g. Cleveland) sacrifice their souls to keep these NFL franchises is pathetic.

Good for you San Diego. You've got all that nice weather, find something to do outdoors on Sunday instead of watching the NFL.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1832478 wrote:I respect the voters in San Diego who were smart enough to not let yet another NFL extort money from the tax base to build yet another over-the-top stadium/playground on the public dime. F*** the NFL. The loss of a team will have negligible economic impact on the city. The league loves to play that card, but it is total BS. Cities succeed of fail based upon the totality of their economic generators, not a mere football team. Watching cities that can ill afford it (e.g. Cleveland) sacrifice their souls to keep these NFL franchises is pathetic.

Good for you San Diego. You've got all that nice weather, find something to do outdoors on Sunday instead of watching the NFL.

Lol

They found something to do years ago. San Diego was the absolute worst in the NFL at supporting their team, to the extent where most home games were actually road games. Not that LA deserves a second team, but San Diego doesn't deserve one at all.

If your team would leave the city, what would you do?

Continue to support them?
Pick a new team?
Or basically become a non fan?


I think I would become a non fan.

Probably treat the NFL like the NBA, where I don't overly care about how any one team fares, but just follow players who are fun to watch.

I just enjoy watching the league and key games. That's entertainment enough for me.

thavoice;1832492 wrote:If your team would leave the city, what would you do?

Continue to support them?
Pick a new team?
Or basically become a non fan?


I think I would become a non fan.

Become a non-fan. I loved the Browns prior to the move. Since then, I root against the Ravens and I don't pay attention to the new incarnation of the team in Cleveland. Cleveland's community efforts and spending to get the stadium/team in 1999 was an education in how professional sports are able to benefit from people not putting their best interests first. The team got an economically challenged region to build them a stadium and have since put out the worst product imaginable while still charging the ridiculous NFL prices.

That's why I say "good for you San Diego, good riddance to the Chargers".

Depends on how they leave. If they leave like the Browns, then I'm done with them. If they leave like the Sonics where the team history follows them, I'd probably follow them to the new city.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1832506 wrote:Become a non-fan. I loved the Browns prior to the move. Since then, I root against the Ravens and I don't pay attention to the new incarnation of the team in Cleveland. Cleveland's community efforts and spending to get the stadium/team in 1999 was an education in how professional sports are able to benefit from people not putting their best interests first. The team got an economically challenged region to build them a stadium and have since put out the worst product imaginable while still charging the ridiculous NFL prices.

That's why I say "good for you San Diego, good riddance to the Chargers".

While the face value isnt cheap by any means in Clev, just wait until they start winning and watch the prices start to skyrocket more. When we first got our season tix in pittsburgh...3rd row from the top, they were 60 and now they approach $100 for some games. BUddy of mine has season tix in Cincy, 17 rows from the field, and it is only 10-20 bucks more than 3rd row from the top.

Win for awhile and those will become much more expensive tickets

thavoice;1832509 wrote:While the face value isnt cheap by any means in Clev, just wait until they start winning and watch the prices start to skyrocket more. When we first got our season tix in pittsburgh...3rd row from the top, they were 60 and now they approach $100 for some games. BUddy of mine has season tix in Cincy, 17 rows from the field, and it is only 10-20 bucks more than 3rd row from the top.

Win for awhile and those will become much more expensive tickets

You're right about this. But even the cheapest tickets make a day at a Cleveland game pretty expensive when you throw in parking and concessions.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1832510 wrote:You're right about this. But even the cheapest tickets make a day at a Cleveland game pretty expensive when you throw in parking and concessions.

This weekend the face for shitty tickets in pittsburgh was I believe $115.
Went to a game in Cleveland and Cincy this year and yeah, it is not a cheap endeavor whatsoever. $8.50 beers is retarded so the best is to get your fill before heading in. At least most have a free refill on pop so i guess that makes it the best value in the stadium!

As long as they get most of the tix sold the teams dont care. Its the TV/media/etc $$$ that pays the bills and attendance is a drop in the bucket.


but..there is just something about being there.....

As a Browns fan if they moved again I would be done with the NFL for good.

The browns move was different than these other teams. At least it was ruled that Cleveland would keep its history/colors/etc and guaranteed a team 4 years later.

I was pretty young during that limbo period, but I do remember my dad swaying me to pull for he chiefs because of Marty Schotenheimer.

I know quite a few ex fans like boogie, that gave up on the NFL after the move. My father falls into that category.

The Browns left right when I was getting into sports. I didn't follow "them" to Baltimore, instead became a fan of the team whose games I went to with family...The Colts. Had Browns left later, say in 1998, after I had been a fan for a few years, I have no clue what I would've done.

When Browns returned, I found myself heavily involved with them and follow their every move as the team from my "hometown", though still leaned Colts. As I've gotten older (30 now), I've actually found myself becoming more of a Browns fan than Colts. Something about home I guess.

The browns left when I was about 8. So I had seen some of the old Browns, and ended up rooting for Dallas b/c they were awesome at the time and Bernie had a short stint there. I think if they moved again I would casually root for the Cowboys but would pretty much be done with the NFL.

If the Browns left Cleveland, I would not follow them anymore.

I like the NFL less and less each year. I only watched about 30 games this year and next year I doubt I watch that many non-Brown's games. The only reason I even watch games is so I can teach all of you how the NFL works and which players are straight garbage no matter what ESPN says.

I'll also add: who cares about the Chargers? LA certainly doesn't and won't; they barely like the Rams.

This is simply an NFL move by owners to say "Pay for our stadium or we leave" and I'm glad they left.

If the Bengals left I'm not sure what I'd do. It'd be hard to GAF about the NFL for a while, though.

Gruden and Peyton to replace Pagano and Grigson. Not mutually exclusive, and it could fall through. But a few Indy sources say could be announcement as early as today (unlikely).

The whole relocation thing is funny when you look at it in the big picture. It's always the same story - the owner of the moving team gives an emotional rundown of how he tried so hard to make things work but was just left with no other choice - as though he were on the verge of personal bankruptcy or the team was going to fold. The fact of the matter is every move is ALL about the fact that the jilted city won't give the team as much money as they want for a new stadium. THat's why I say to San Diego, you mad a great choice. Your team is mediocre every year, the new stadiums are always more expensive then their projected to be, and the economic impact to the community of having a football team is NEVER close to what the team/NFL promise it to be.

When a city lets itself held hostage by these owners, it becomes like Atlanta - a city that is building 2 new stadiums for more than $2 billion to replace two stadiums that aren't even 30 years old. What a total and complete joke. The NFL is pathetic. MLB is not far behind.

St Louis would be a good market to move a team....

Classyposter58;1832653 wrote:St Louis would be a good market to move a team....

Maybe the NFL should give that a try sometime.