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Oct 6, 2016 12:28 AM
sleeper;1813925 wrote:GOP deserves to lose this election to the most corrupt US politician in history.
I wish I disagreed with this. But she is. And they do.
Con_Alma;1813929 wrote:If you are assuming personhood at conception there are other legal "duties" in place on the parent including but not limited to basic care. Failing to provide such care can lead to neglect and or abuse in most States.
This is true, but that care does not extend to giving the child rights to the mother's body over the mother's objection.

For example, if a newborn needed a bone marrow transplant, the mother would not be legally obligated to donate in order to avoid imprisonment.
Con_Alma;1813929 wrote:I don't think assuming personhood at conception is the right approach to take with regard to justifying abortion based on not having rights to one's body....
I wasn't really assuming it for that purpose. I used it more as a "for instance," because at the end of the day, I don't think it matters whether or not it is a person anyway.

For the record, I don't think a zygote is a person. Zygotes reproduce through mitosis. As such, if the one zygote is a person, and that person engages in mitosis, then the person has reproduced. Does that make the two cells two persons? If one is one person, and that person reproduces asexually, it would stand to reason that the subsequent cells are all persons.

This is, of course, absurd.
Oct 6, 2016 12:28am
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Oct 6, 2016 6:35 AM
O-Trap;1813911 wrote: Deism is not really religion.
In and of itself, no. But to branch off of this a little further, the Judeo-Christian moral compass backing it rather is. If we take the time to delve into culture and subculture of the founding of our country we reach a deeper understanding. And although there's enough written word THERE to write several books, in this forum we can only oversimplify things. And even though people tend to marginalize this fact to suit their purpose and argument, it's not really as simple as that. For better or for worse.
Oct 6, 2016 6:35am
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Oct 6, 2016 7:15 AM
O-Trap;1813950 wrote:...


This is true, but that care does not extend to giving the child rights to the mother's body over the mother's objection. ...
Understood....but in expelling that "person" which is a child the parent is exposed to the laws of neglect and abuse. The mother may have a right to her body and while exercising her rights she will have broken other laws.
O-Trap;1813950 wrote:...I don't think it matters whether or not it is a person anyway. ...
That's where we disagree. If it were a person the mother would have a legal obligation to provide it basic care.
Oct 6, 2016 7:15am
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Oct 6, 2016 10:14 AM
superman;1813928 wrote:Sleeper: Abortion is a woman's right and bring able to make health choices is the most basic human right. Votes for the party that wants the government to take over Healthcare. Fucking retard.
Also votes for the party that will protect the health of women.

Also, I do think a single payer system would work best in this country. I'm willing to have those discussions in another thread if you want; I'd like to keep this thread about electing our First Female President.
Oct 6, 2016 10:14am
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Oct 6, 2016 10:34 AM
QuakerOats;1813966 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/05/republicans-blast-fbi-for-astonishing-agreement-to-destroy-clinton-aides-laptops.html


The pattern of destruction of evidence and obstruction of justice is beyond belief.

How insane are those supporting such a criminal for the nation's highest office?
Slightly less insane thank those supporting Donald J Trump.
Oct 6, 2016 10:34am
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Oct 6, 2016 10:41 AM
sleeper;1813963 wrote:
Also, I do think a single payer system would work best in this country. I'm willing to have those discussions in another thread if you want; I'd like to keep this thread about electing our First Female President.
That's interesting since back in the primaries when I started a thread for Bernie Sanders plans you said how he was an idiot for wanting a single payer system and the quality of medicine would go down in the country and the R&D behind medicine would diminish greatly.. now you're for it.
Oct 6, 2016 10:41am
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Oct 6, 2016 10:42 AM
QuakerOats;1813966 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/05/republicans-blast-fbi-for-astonishing-agreement-to-destroy-clinton-aides-laptops.html


The pattern of destruction of evidence and obstruction of justice is beyond belief.

How insane are those supporting such a criminal for the nation's highest office?
PolitiFact.com has Trump at 76% untruthful.
How insane are those supporting such a liar for the nation's highest office?
Oct 6, 2016 10:42am
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Oct 6, 2016 10:42 AM
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Oct 6, 2016 11:07 AM
sleeper;1813963 wrote:Also votes for the party that will protect the health of women.

Also, I do think a single payer system would work best in this country. I'm willing to have those discussions in another thread if you want; I'd like to keep this thread about electing our First Female President.
Sorry i shod have said SJW retard
Oct 6, 2016 11:07am
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Oct 6, 2016 11:07 AM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1813968 wrote:That's interesting since back in the primaries when I started a thread for Bernie Sanders plans you said how he was an idiot for wanting a single payer system and the quality of medicine would go down in the country and the R&D behind medicine would diminish greatly.. now you're for it.
R&D is one of the issues in having a single payer system and definitely is one of my concerns.

I'd rather have Bernie in there than either of these two clowns.
Oct 6, 2016 11:07am
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Oct 6, 2016 11:10 AM
superman;1813972 wrote:Sorry i shod have said SJW retard
TRUMP.
Oct 6, 2016 11:10am
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Oct 6, 2016 11:20 AM
sleeper;1813973 wrote:R&D is one of the issues in having a single payer system and definitely is one of my concerns.

I'd rather have Bernie in there than either of these two clowns.
Do you realize that if you go to single player system, then whatever party is in charge can control all aspects of your Healthcare? Therefore, when the pendulum swings and the Republicans get control again, they will cut off all abortion funding. Or if some idiot liberal anti-vaxxer would somehow get control, vaccinations could be outlawed? But sure, keep complaining about the guys who want to protect babies' lives.
Oct 6, 2016 11:20am
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Oct 6, 2016 11:33 AM
superman;1813977 wrote:Do you realize that if you go to single player system, then whatever party is in charge can control all aspects of your Healthcare? Therefore, when the pendulum swings and the Republicans get control again, they will cut off all abortion funding. Or if some idiot liberal anti-vaxxer would somehow get control, vaccinations could be outlawed? But sure, keep complaining about the guys who want to protect babies' lives.
Republicans are already trying to cut off abortion funding unsuccessfully. And by doing so, they continue to erode their voting base so no I'm not worried.

Nice scare tactics though! TRUMP!
Oct 6, 2016 11:33am
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Oct 6, 2016 11:37 AM
sleeper;1813978 wrote:Republicans are already trying to cut off abortion funding unsuccessfully. And by doing so, they continue to erode their voting base so no I'm not worried.

Nice scare tactics though! TRUMP!
No scare tactics. Just facts. When you give the government total control, they take it.
Oct 6, 2016 11:37am
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Oct 6, 2016 12:23 PM
superman;1813979 wrote:No scare tactics. Just facts. When you give the government total control, they take it.
Might want to make a new tin foil hat.
Oct 6, 2016 12:23pm
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Oct 6, 2016 12:33 PM
sleeper;1813973 wrote:R&D is one of the issues in having a single payer system and definitely is one of my concerns.

I'd rather have Bernie in there than either of these two clowns.
Bernie?

Lmao, now I know you're trolling.
Oct 6, 2016 12:33pm
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Oct 6, 2016 12:39 PM
like_that;1813991 wrote:Bernie?

Lmao, now I know you're trolling.
Certainly better than HRC or Trump. Not sure how you can argue against that.
Oct 6, 2016 12:39pm
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Oct 6, 2016 1:09 PM
I think that the one thing that people (not necessarily here on this forum) keep forgetting is the fact that no matter what a candidate and/or President wants, doesn't mean they're going to get it. We could have a President who wants a "Tuesday Purge" and a "Sunday Prayfest" but it doesn't mean it's going to happen.

What IS happening, though, is that more and more politically powerful people want the government to be the new and ultimate Company Store. Politicians and playmakers both have been and are involved in this continuous piecemeal shifting.
Oct 6, 2016 1:09pm
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Oct 6, 2016 1:20 PM
CenterBHSFan;1814001 wrote: What IS happening, though, is that more and more politically powerful people want the government to be the new and ultimate Company Store. Politicians and playmakers both have been and are involved in this continuous piecemeal shifting.
Definitely agree. It's not really new that politicians promise the world to get elected but it seems to be new that everyone thinks the govt should take care of EVERY FUCKING THING. Why is healthcare a right? Why is educationa right? And who in their right mind thinks the govt paying for everything will bring costs down? The only way they can control the cost is to force people to accept what they are paying...
Oct 6, 2016 1:20pm
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Oct 6, 2016 1:23 PM
sleeper;1813993 wrote:Certainly better than HRC or Trump. Not sure how you can argue against that.
dude you did nothing but call Bernie a joke and a failure and said his supporters are idiots lol
Oct 6, 2016 1:23pm
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Oct 6, 2016 1:24 PM
vball10set;1814003 wrote:


If you think Pence is class, you either know nothing about him or you're a nut job too.
Oct 6, 2016 1:24pm
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Oct 6, 2016 1:58 PM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1814004 wrote:dude you did nothing but call Bernie a joke and a failure and said his supporters are idiots lol
And your point?
Oct 6, 2016 1:58pm
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Oct 6, 2016 1:59 PM
vball10set;1814003 wrote:


Pence certainly handled himself a lot better than Kaine but he's still a nutjob.
Oct 6, 2016 1:59pm