like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 18, 2015 10:19am
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/women-earning-men-corporate-finance-121049296.html
I wonder if the same people who say men and women should be paid equally will cry about this.
I wonder if the same people who say men and women should be paid equally will cry about this.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 18, 2015 10:48am
Well, you already know the answer, there will be nothing said about this.
I don't really care what my colleagues make. I make my own success or failure and in the long run my true value will be reached. I am sure some make more than me and are worse than me at their jobs and some make less than me that are better. Over time, that will be corrected.
I don't really care what my colleagues make. I make my own success or failure and in the long run my true value will be reached. I am sure some make more than me and are worse than me at their jobs and some make less than me that are better. Over time, that will be corrected.
Sage
Posts: 2,070
Dec 18, 2015 1:24pm
It's funny how you use the salaries of one subset of women in the workplace—CEOs, a profession still dominated by men—as "proof" that women don't earn less than men for the same job in America. If you can't see the problem with this, then perhaps you have some deeper-seated issues you need to work through before diving into a complicated and nuanced discussion armed with a Yahoo! finance article.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 18, 2015 2:34pm
It's 2015, not the 50's time to get real.Sage;1770219 wrote:It's funny how you use the salaries of one subset of women in the workplace—CEOs, a profession still dominated by men—as "proof" that women don't earn less than men for the same job in America. If you can't see the problem with this, then perhaps you have some deeper-seated issues you need to work through before diving into a complicated and nuanced discussion armed with a Yahoo! finance article.
There are plenty of statistics prove that the wage gap is competently mythical and predicated on personal choices. For example:
http://www.citytowninfo.com/cti/test/highest-male-to-female-ratio-large-colleges-and-universities.shtml
Engineering is one of the highest paying fields in this country. All these schools dominated by men specialize in engineering. Hmmmm.
Continue making up mythical excuses about that "war" on women though. If you can't see through the bullshit myth then perhaps you should wake up from your delusional world polluted by false information that makes you feel better as a sjw.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 18, 2015 3:01pm
There is no gender pay gap when accounting for reality.Sage;1770219 wrote:It's funny how you use the salaries of one subset of women in the workplace—CEOs, a profession still dominated by men—as "proof" that women don't earn less than men for the same job in America. If you can't see the problem with this, then perhaps you have some deeper-seated issues you need to work through before diving into a complicated and nuanced discussion armed with a Yahoo! finance article.
Signed,
Reality
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Dec 18, 2015 4:18pm
I've never believed in a "war on women". In the finance world or otherwise. The kind of people who make these claims are also the same groups of people who get pissed if a woman takes a break from working to stay at home and raise their own children, as opposed to daycares/nannies/babysitters.
Some people just aren't happy unless they are unhappy.
Some people just aren't happy unless they are unhappy.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Dec 21, 2015 9:20am
I has been proven that when comparing men to women in the same field at same experience levels, the gap is less than 3% (within the statistical error).
Only when you lump all women vs all men regardless of what careers they are in do you get a "gap".
It it is a myth perpetuated in politics to swing votes.
Only when you lump all women vs all men regardless of what careers they are in do you get a "gap".
It it is a myth perpetuated in politics to swing votes.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Dec 21, 2015 12:01pm
I dont care what someone make ... I do my job and if women, black, gay etc can't do their job ..fire them without a lawsuit pending ....
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Dec 21, 2015 12:50pm
I don't think there is an easy way to say if women make more than men or not. I agree you can't just look at every man's salary and every woman's salary and compare those two numbers because of differences in experience and skill.jmog;1770648 wrote:I has been proven that when comparing men to women in the same field at same experience levels, the gap is less than 3% (within the statistical error).
Only when you lump all women vs all men regardless of what careers they are in do you get a "gap".
It it is a myth perpetuated in politics to swing votes.
But you also can't just compare salary between men and women with similar titles and experience because I do believe some women are not allowed to advance to higher levels.
I know people who don't like working with women. I also know people who don't like working with foreigners. I had a friend who used to work in a college admissions dept and he told me he would not accept people if they were from the east coast because he didn't like them. Discrimination happens all the time and I'm not sure there is an easy fix.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 21, 2015 1:35pm
The one thing that we can guarantee is no one ever discriminates against white men. Everyone else, yes absolutely, but white men get a free pass in life and are always treated fairly.FatHobbit;1770717 wrote:I don't think there is an easy way to say if women make more than men or not. I agree you can't just look at every man's salary and every woman's salary and compare those two numbers because of differences in experience and skill.
But you also can't just compare salary between men and women with similar titles and experience because I do believe some women are not allowed to advance to higher levels.
I know people who don't like working with women. I also know people who don't like working with foreigners. I had a friend who used to work in a college admissions dept and he told me he would not accept people if they were from the east coast because he didn't like them. Discrimination happens all the time and I'm not sure there is an easy fix.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 21, 2015 1:58pm
Yup, my free promotion based on being a white male is coming up soon.sleeper;1770740 wrote:The one thing that we can guarantee is no one ever discriminates against white men. Everyone else, yes absolutely, but white men get a free pass in life and are always treated fairly.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Dec 21, 2015 2:52pm
Isn't COA our resident feminist?
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Dec 21, 2015 3:54pm
Indeed he is. I'm sure he will bring his opinion shortly after his Starbucks break.ernest_t_bass;1770785 wrote:Isn't COA our resident feminist?
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Dec 21, 2015 4:11pm
I had to reread my post because I didn't think I was saying anything about what kind of people are discriminated against. I don't think it was clear.sleeper;1770740 wrote:The one thing that we can guarantee is no one ever discriminates against white men. Everyone else, yes absolutely, but white men get a free pass in life and are always treated fairly.
My friend who worked in admissions is white and he doesn't like white people from the east coast. Any random person might not like random things about other people.
I think some people try to distill that down to one statistic, but I don't think you can explain the situation with a single (or even a few) statistics.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 21, 2015 4:43pm
So if everyone faces discrimination that's based on random attributes, why do we only hear about those that affect everyone besides white men?FatHobbit;1770812 wrote:I had to reread my post because I didn't think I was saying anything about what kind of people are discriminated against. I don't think it was clear.
My friend who worked in admissions is white and he doesn't like white people from the east coast. Any random person might not like random things about other people.
I think some people try to distill that down to one statistic, but I don't think you can explain the situation with a single (or even a few) statistics.
Hint: You are being hoodwinked
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Dec 23, 2015 3:21pm
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Dec 23, 2015 5:59pm
^ Oh damn!
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 10, 2016 6:17pm
Somewhat related to this topic:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/february_2016/most_women_oppose_having_to_register_for_the_draft
Gotta love how feminists are all about equality only when it benefits them.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/february_2016/most_women_oppose_having_to_register_for_the_draft
Gotta love how feminists are all about equality only when it benefits them.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Feb 11, 2016 10:08am
We are all different, we all have various attributes which affect our 'market value'. We all have the opportunity to do well or do poorly, and yes some have more of a hill to climb. But free markets are clearly the best at allocating resources, talents, and inputs and providing pathways to prosperity. It is getting to the point where government involvement, interference, intervention is distorting and burdening markets, and that gives rise to the socialist/marxist claims of unfairness, and the less-informed eat it up.
BIG government creates/invents issues, and then BIG government forces its liberal agenda upon The People.
We were founded as a nation of opportunity, not outcomes.
BIG government creates/invents issues, and then BIG government forces its liberal agenda upon The People.
We were founded as a nation of opportunity, not outcomes.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Feb 11, 2016 10:36am
It would be interesting to figure out just how many women who don't get the same pay in a given year had paid maternity leave. My wife is lucky enough to have 16 months of paid maternity leave but she is going to lose a portion of her commissions so she will show that she gets paid less this year vs. her male colleagues. The same goes for women in the legal profession who won't hit their hours but will get paid maternity leave.
And the fact is women want maternity leave and not men - by and large.
Seems to me that calls for universal paid leave and "equal pay" are kind of at odds.
I still think there are some cultural problems with some men treating strong white collar women as if they are bitches but I just don't see wanton pay discrimination on a per productivity basis. I mean there is a cottage industry within the Plaintiff's Bar on the hunt for it every day.
And the fact is women want maternity leave and not men - by and large.
Seems to me that calls for universal paid leave and "equal pay" are kind of at odds.
I still think there are some cultural problems with some men treating strong white collar women as if they are bitches but I just don't see wanton pay discrimination on a per productivity basis. I mean there is a cottage industry within the Plaintiff's Bar on the hunt for it every day.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Feb 11, 2016 10:43am
I do not deny that there is some discrimination out there and in some businesses a "glass ceiling" that needs 'worked on/fixed'.BoatShoes;1780980 wrote:It would be interesting to figure out just how many women who don't get the same pay in a given year had paid maternity leave. My wife is lucky enough to have 16 months of paid maternity leave but she is going to lose a portion of her commissions so she will show that she gets paid less this year vs. her male colleagues. The same goes for women in the legal profession who won't hit their hours but will get paid maternity leave.
And the fact is women want maternity leave and not men - by and large.
Seems to me that calls for universal paid leave and "equal pay" are kind of at odds.
I still think there are some cultural problems with some men treating strong white collar women as if they are bitches but I just don't see wanton pay discrimination on a per productivity basis. I mean there is a cottage industry within the Plaintiff's Bar on the hunt for it every day.
However, there is DEFINITELY not a pay gap out there when looking at the same job/experience, this is a 100% myth.
In other words, we agree (mind blown!)
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 8, 2016 7:44am
Happy international women's day everyone! In honor of today I will give every fellow female coworker 21 cents to help close that pay gap!!!!
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 8, 2016 8:21am
SMH when I logged on Facebook this morning and at the top it read "happy women's day! Celebrate women's equality by posting!"like_that;1785131 wrote:Happy international women's day everyone! In honor of today I will give every fellow female coworker 21 cents to help close that pay gap!!!!
Can't. Escape. SJW.
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Mar 8, 2016 8:31am
I don't care about International Women's Day, but I am drinking on a patio later with my main broads. #girlpower
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 8, 2016 10:32am
No pat on the rear ??like_that;1785131 wrote:Happy international women's day everyone! In honor of today I will give every fellow female coworker 21 cents to help close that pay gap!!!!