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Dad4Sports
Posts: 1,779
Dec 16, 2015 8:16pm
Quickest tri ever at Ready tonight! Only one match went the distance...SP Caleb Brooks (Ready) bumped to 138 to face SQ Forest Belli (Northridge) taking a 9-3 decision.
Bishop Ready 51 Johnstown Northridge 18
106: Double FF
113: Reeves (N) over Delgado (BR) Pin 0:59
120: A. Halko (BR) win by FF
126: Holley (N) win by FF
132: Double FF
138: Brooks (BR) over Belli (N) Dec 9-3
145: D. Halko (BR) over Johnston (N) Pin 0:57
152: Strout (N) win by FF
160: Inks (BR) win by FF
170: Siemer (BR) over Royer (N) Pin 5:01
182: M. Stover (BR) over MacNamara (N) Pin 1:03
195: Martinez (BR) win by FF
220: Jansen (BR) over Willeke (N) Pin 0:59
285: S. Stover (BR) win by FF
Bishop Ready 54 Bexley 0
106: Double FF
113: Delgado (BR) win by FF
120: A. Halko (BR) win by FF
126: Double FF
132: Double FF
138: Brooks (BR) over Goldstein (B) Pin 0:49
145: D. Halko (BR) over Binsky (B) Pin 0:35
152: Inks (BR) over Kent (B) Pin 0:40
160: Double FF
170: Siemer (BR) over Keller (B) Pin 1:35
182: M. Stover (BR) over Abel (B) Pin 1:00
195: Jansen (BR) win by FF
220: S. Stover (BR) win by FF
285: Double FF
Johnstown Northridge 48 Bexley 0
106: Double FF
113: Reeves (N) win by FF
120: Double FF
126: Holley (N) win by FF
132: Double FF
138: Belli (N) over Goldstein (B) Pin 0:46
145: Johnston (N) over Binsky (B) Pin 3:04
152: Strout (N) over Kent (B) Pin 0:36
160: Double FF
170: MacNamara (N) over Keller (B) Pin 0:34
182: Royer (N) over Abel (B) Pin 1:08
195: Double FF
220: Willeke (N) win by FF
285: Double FF
Bishop Ready 51 Johnstown Northridge 18
106: Double FF
113: Reeves (N) over Delgado (BR) Pin 0:59
120: A. Halko (BR) win by FF
126: Holley (N) win by FF
132: Double FF
138: Brooks (BR) over Belli (N) Dec 9-3
145: D. Halko (BR) over Johnston (N) Pin 0:57
152: Strout (N) win by FF
160: Inks (BR) win by FF
170: Siemer (BR) over Royer (N) Pin 5:01
182: M. Stover (BR) over MacNamara (N) Pin 1:03
195: Martinez (BR) win by FF
220: Jansen (BR) over Willeke (N) Pin 0:59
285: S. Stover (BR) win by FF
Bishop Ready 54 Bexley 0
106: Double FF
113: Delgado (BR) win by FF
120: A. Halko (BR) win by FF
126: Double FF
132: Double FF
138: Brooks (BR) over Goldstein (B) Pin 0:49
145: D. Halko (BR) over Binsky (B) Pin 0:35
152: Inks (BR) over Kent (B) Pin 0:40
160: Double FF
170: Siemer (BR) over Keller (B) Pin 1:35
182: M. Stover (BR) over Abel (B) Pin 1:00
195: Jansen (BR) win by FF
220: S. Stover (BR) win by FF
285: Double FF
Johnstown Northridge 48 Bexley 0
106: Double FF
113: Reeves (N) win by FF
120: Double FF
126: Holley (N) win by FF
132: Double FF
138: Belli (N) over Goldstein (B) Pin 0:46
145: Johnston (N) over Binsky (B) Pin 3:04
152: Strout (N) over Kent (B) Pin 0:36
160: Double FF
170: MacNamara (N) over Keller (B) Pin 0:34
182: Royer (N) over Abel (B) Pin 1:08
195: Double FF
220: Willeke (N) win by FF
285: Double FF
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Dust_E_Roads
Posts: 752
Dec 16, 2015 9:53pm
Easy quick night for the referees. wow!

cruiser_96
Posts: 7,536
Dec 16, 2015 10:44pm
I spent time in Colorado. The eastern portion of the state was much less populated than Denver, Colorado Springs, or Pueblo. That eastern part of the state played 7 or 8 man football due to the lower population.
Why not habe 11 weight classes? (Not that it would have helped here, but just asking.)
Why not habe 11 weight classes? (Not that it would have helped here, but just asking.)
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Dust_E_Roads
Posts: 752
Dec 17, 2015 6:00am
Because the parents of the guys who weigh between 138 and 170 already screamed bloody murder when they took away one weight class from the middle. Can you imagine if they took another one or two away?cruiser_96;1769872 wrote: Why not have 11 weight classes? (Not that it would have helped here, but just asking.)
They might be OK with it if it looked like this:
106
138
142
146
150
154
158
162
166
170
285

112in84
Posts: 565
Dec 17, 2015 6:39am
Is Bob Triano still at Bexley ?
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Dust_E_Roads
Posts: 752
Dec 17, 2015 8:24am
Serious question, Trackwrestling shows Bexley with a 19 man roster. How do we get from there to 9 forfeits? Skin funk? Something else?
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newbie75
Posts: 89
Dec 17, 2015 9:17am
Dust_E_Roads;1769895 wrote:Serious question, Trackwrestling shows Bexley with a 19 man roster. How do we get from there to 9 forfeits? Skin funk? Something else?
I've been on the end of having short numbers when I had a large alpha. Could be injuries or eligibility... That stinks that it was that short of a night for wrestling.
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Dad4Sports
Posts: 1,779
Dec 17, 2015 10:10am
I'm not sure but I don't think Bexley brought their full team...don't know why though.Dust_E_Roads;1769895 wrote:Serious question, Trackwrestling shows Bexley with a 19 man roster. How do we get from there to 9 forfeits? Skin funk? Something else?
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It is what it is
Posts: 998
Dec 17, 2015 10:14am
Looks like a city meet with all the forfeits. A lot of times, eligibility and "showing up" dictates taking 7-8 wrestlers when you have 15-20 on the roster!
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It is what it is
Posts: 998
Dec 17, 2015 10:16am
Might work with:Dust_E_Roads;1769878 wrote:Because the parents of the guys who weigh between 138 and 170 already screamed bloody murder when they took away one weight class from the middle. Can you imagine if they took another one or two away?
They might be OK with it if it looked like this:
106
138
142
146
150
154
158
162
166
170
285
105
115
125
135
145
160
170
185
195
220
285

wraith51
Posts: 386
Dec 17, 2015 11:04am
I like the college weights plus 1 or 2, maybe adjust those weights down by 4-5lbs and add 1 in the little guys and 1 to the big guys.
125(121)
133(129)
141(137)
149(145)
157(153)
165(161)
174(170)
184(180)
197(193)
285(285)
Maybe add 105 at the bottom and a 225 at the top, 12 weightclasses. I'm a big guy, I like the big guy weights, especially since my team has bigger guys and no lightweights, but I also understand that majority of HS boys are in that 145-160 range (at least in my non-official observation) so adjusting some of those weights down even more may be helpful too.
Honestly I don't know if there is a true right answer for what weights will be good. If you make everyone happy then you end up like jr high with 16 weightclasses and more ff's. You make less weightclasses you exclude a certain group of the population (my example excludes the little guys big time and even though I don't have any this year wrestling is a wonderful sport for those smaller guys and gals that may not get the same opportunity in other sports), and our current system takes away from more middle. Things will change from year to year, last and starting out this year, to me, seems like there are more big guys filling up the brackets (145-285) and below people struggle. 2 years ago when the weights changed the upperweights were hardly ever full but 138 and under always had people. Just my little take on personal observation.
Sorry to hijack the thread, Northridge and Ready should do well as the season progresses and have some youth on both rosters.
125(121)
133(129)
141(137)
149(145)
157(153)
165(161)
174(170)
184(180)
197(193)
285(285)
Maybe add 105 at the bottom and a 225 at the top, 12 weightclasses. I'm a big guy, I like the big guy weights, especially since my team has bigger guys and no lightweights, but I also understand that majority of HS boys are in that 145-160 range (at least in my non-official observation) so adjusting some of those weights down even more may be helpful too.
Honestly I don't know if there is a true right answer for what weights will be good. If you make everyone happy then you end up like jr high with 16 weightclasses and more ff's. You make less weightclasses you exclude a certain group of the population (my example excludes the little guys big time and even though I don't have any this year wrestling is a wonderful sport for those smaller guys and gals that may not get the same opportunity in other sports), and our current system takes away from more middle. Things will change from year to year, last and starting out this year, to me, seems like there are more big guys filling up the brackets (145-285) and below people struggle. 2 years ago when the weights changed the upperweights were hardly ever full but 138 and under always had people. Just my little take on personal observation.
Sorry to hijack the thread, Northridge and Ready should do well as the season progresses and have some youth on both rosters.
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It is what it is
Posts: 998
Dec 17, 2015 11:58am
I agree there probably is no right/good answer and you won't please everyone. I think going to 12 weight classes (whatever they may be) would be more beneficial than detrimental also! : thumbup:
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newbie75
Posts: 89
Dec 17, 2015 12:06pm
It is what it is, I totally agree. I think it should be 12 because let's be honest 106 is a guess on how many will be there at a tournament. Does it hurt some of the smaller guys yes but I've been at plenty of tournaments were it is one the fewest. Then maybe cut out 195/220 or merge it as one.

wraith51
Posts: 386
Dec 17, 2015 12:36pm
I don't know if I would cut 106 vs adjusting it up per se. 113 has been very low this year, our first tournament there were only 3 and very similar to where we were last week. With the 195/220 I think I'd almost go back to the old weight of having 182 go back to 189, no 195 and 215 or 220. Is that a lot of weight in between, sure, but it's like that already just not as big.newbie75;1769964 wrote:It is what it is, I totally agree. I think it should be 12 because let's be honest 106 is a guess on how many will be there at a tournament. Does it hurt some of the smaller guys yes but I've been at plenty of tournaments were it is one the fewest. Then maybe cut out 195/220 or merge it as one.

wraith51
Posts: 386
Dec 17, 2015 12:42pm
This! I've always felt less is more, it's a lot easier motivating a group of guys when you're only forfeiting 2 weights vs 4 or 5.It is what it is;1769959 wrote:I agree there probably is no right/good answer and you won't please everyone. I think going to 12 weight classes (whatever they may be) would be more beneficial than detrimental also! : thumbup:
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newbie75
Posts: 89
Dec 18, 2015 12:34pm
I agree Wraith51. For some schools not in the top tier, a few forfeits can honestly dictate the match. Adjusting 106/113 could be just as good as 195/220 area.