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Apr 21, 2016 9:35 AM
I've heard only bad things on Fuller. No way Fuller goes ahead of Treadwell, Doctson, Coleman or even Shepard/Thomas. Not a complete WR. Small. Never will be one. If Cincy takes him, I'll be uber pissed.

I love Coleman and Shepard, especially that Doctson and Treadwell are likely gone before the top 20.
Apr 21, 2016 9:35am
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Apr 21, 2016 9:37 AM
I will say though, the WR class is really all over the map. You have potentially 6 WR's who could be ranked all over the place.
Apr 21, 2016 9:37am
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Apr 21, 2016 10:32 AM
Azubuike24;1792629 wrote:I've heard only bad things on Fuller. No way Fuller goes ahead of Treadwell, Doctson, Coleman or even Shepard/Thomas. Not a complete WR. Small. Never will be one. If Cincy takes him, I'll be uber pissed.

I love Coleman and Shepard, especially that Doctson and Treadwell are likely gone before the top 20.
He will definitely go before Shepard/Thomas. And I will also say he goes before Doctson and Coleman. But I agree with you I'm not a fan of him either.
Apr 21, 2016 10:32am
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Apr 21, 2016 10:34 AM
Azubuike24;1792629 wrote:I've heard only bad things on Fuller.

Other than he drops too many balls?
Apr 21, 2016 10:34am
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Apr 21, 2016 10:43 AM
Fuller is too small to be a dominant #1 Wideout, I think.

But, as a #2 or slot WR for a team with a #1 and a bigger guy on the otherside...he can take the top off a defense. Id love to have him as a complementary WR...just wouldnt take him with expectations to be the #1.
Apr 21, 2016 10:43am
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Apr 21, 2016 10:58 AM
Azubuike24;1792621 wrote:The more I've thought about it, the more I think the Browns should trade down, grab another 2nd or 3rd (depending how far down they go) and target a WR in the middle of RD1.
I'd be surprised if we stay at #8 at this point. I expect the Browns to be the most active team out there this year as the analytics guys start putting their stamp on this franchise.
Apr 21, 2016 10:58am
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Apr 21, 2016 11:45 AM
Fuller isn't a #1. At best, he's DeSean Jackson. Sure, there's a fit for someone, but I just don't see him being more than a 50-60 catch guy. I guess if he hits to be D-Jax, he's worth a first rounder, but I'd rather have a polished WR who is a more consistent threat.

Obviously my opinion, but I'd take Shepard before him because I think he has the "it" factor that could make him Antonio Brown/Odell Beckham...and at the low end, John Brown or Emmanuel Sanders.
Apr 21, 2016 11:45am
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Apr 21, 2016 11:59 AM
Already tired of the "moneyball" and "analytics" comments. These are football decisions, and have little to do with analytics. They are in a complete rebuild and need players at every position. It is as simple as that.
Apr 21, 2016 11:59am
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Apr 21, 2016 12:01 PM
iclfan2;1792656 wrote:Already tired of the "moneyball" and "analytics" comments. These are football decisions, and have little to do with analytics. They are in a complete rebuild and need players at every position. It is as simple as that.
With this approach though, knowing it's going to be somewhat different than many other teams, it would make sense to continue to compile as many picks as possible. Heck, if the Browns make a few more downward moves and end up drafting 14-15 players in this draft, if they are right on 5 or 6 of them, they could be contenders in 2017. The NFL isn't a long-term league anymore, you can go worst to first in 2 years or less with good drafts.
Apr 21, 2016 12:01pm
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Apr 21, 2016 12:29 PM
SportsAndLady;1792628 wrote:High teens, low 20's. I've seen a few mocks that had him 10th but I doubt that.

I've also seen Fuller from ND as the top wr taken. Think those two will be a coin flip for first wideout taken.

I wouldn't mind either of them.
Fuller sucks, 1 trick pony (speed) with suspect hands. No thanks.
Apr 21, 2016 12:29pm
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Apr 21, 2016 12:35 PM
I'm ok trading down but anything past 15 and you better get a bunch of picks for it.
I also don't want Fuller. I'd have him way down the list of WR's.
Apr 21, 2016 12:35pm
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Apr 21, 2016 1:24 PM
Midstate01;1792669 wrote:I'm ok trading down but anything past 15 and you better get a bunch of picks for it.
I also don't want Fuller. I'd have him way down the list of WR's.
It appears that #7-#15 appear to be the same value this year, and the Browns have a lot of need.
Apr 21, 2016 1:24pm
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Apr 21, 2016 5:32 PM
Sonofanump;1792681 wrote:It appears that #7-#15 appear to be the same value this year, and the Browns have a lot of need.
Which is why I'm cool with going down to anywhere up to 15. After 15, we gotta get a ton of picks or I wouldn't do it.

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Apr 21, 2016 5:32pm
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Apr 22, 2016 10:23 AM
So Vegas is predicting Browns go 0-16 this season. I'm all in...let's go full 76'ers on this season.
Apr 22, 2016 10:23am
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Apr 22, 2016 11:13 AM
Benny The Jet;1792783 wrote:So Vegas is predicting Browns go 0-16 this season. I'm all in...let's go full 76'ers on this season.
lol are they seriously?

You can't seriously want that. 0-16 is an automatic reboot (again) of the front office and coaching staff.
Apr 22, 2016 11:13am
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Apr 22, 2016 11:15 AM
Regardless of the outcome of this season they need to stick with Jackson. 3 seasons, AT LEAST. You can't make a trade like they just did and give up after 1-2 seasons.
Apr 22, 2016 11:15am
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Apr 22, 2016 11:21 AM
I don't care how little talent or in disarray an organization is in, I'd take the prop bet that they won't go winless. Only one team in history has gone winless in a full season that wasn't their expansion year, the 2008 Lions.
Apr 22, 2016 11:21am
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Apr 22, 2016 11:36 AM
like_that;1792787 wrote:You can't seriously want that. 0-16 is an automatic reboot (again) of the front office and coaching staff.
There is no way this would happen, regardless of record. Even Haslem has to know it will take time, and he must be on board with this tear down/ build up. Now if they go 1-15 in year two, then the seats may start getting hot.
Apr 22, 2016 11:36am
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Apr 22, 2016 12:16 PM
No way they fire Hue after 0-16. What Cleveland needs, is it's fans and media to completely understand what the plan is for this year/future. They've got to go into this year knowing that losing every game is a legit chance. If you get some of these idiot fans/media start whining and complaining and making noise, that's when the front office does something dumb and makes a dumb decision. Go into this year knowing that "hey, we're going to be awful...and that's ok. It's past management's fault we're where we are...this is how we get ourselves out."
Apr 22, 2016 12:16pm
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Apr 22, 2016 12:27 PM
No chance the Browns go 0-16.

I'll predict early, Browns 3-13.
Apr 22, 2016 12:27pm
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Apr 22, 2016 12:33 PM
I'll be more optimistic/pessimistic after the draft.

I think RG3 is terrible and with Gordon still being a POS I don't see many play makers on offense. I think defensively we will be okay but nothing elite tier that can carry the woeful offense. We won't score points and we won't hold teams to under 14ppg so I see some scrappy wins against some junk teams.
Apr 22, 2016 12:33pm
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Apr 22, 2016 12:41 PM
Benny The Jet;1792800 wrote:No way they fire Hue after 0-16. What Cleveland needs, is it's fans and media to completely understand what the plan is for this year/future. They've got to go into this year knowing that losing every game is a legit chance. If you get some of these idiot fans/media start whining and complaining and making noise, that's when the front office does something dumb and makes a dumb decision. Go into this year knowing that "hey, we're going to be awful...and that's ok. It's past management's fault we're where we are...this is how we get ourselves out."
I don't think the problem is the fans. The fans are the most tolerant and flexible fans in the entire NFL(or at least top 3). I, as a fan, am okay with rebuilds but the issue is we've been told to be patient and wait for this "plan" to come together but we seem to have to reset this plan every few years since the return.

What I want to see is year over year improvement to field a competitive team. If year 1 is straight terrible(2-3 wins), then next year we better beat that and the following year, etc. If we don't improve, I don't see a reason to keep the coaching staff around as their plan isn't working.
Apr 22, 2016 12:41pm
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Apr 22, 2016 12:46 PM
sleeper;1792808 wrote:I think RG3 is terrible
I agree, he has talent, but horribly inconsistent, I think the Browns will be 2-7 when he starts. 1-6 when someone else does when he gets hurt running out of the pocket.
Apr 22, 2016 12:46pm
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Apr 22, 2016 1:08 PM
Sonofanump;1792816 wrote:I agree, he has talent, but horribly inconsistent, I think the Browns will be 2-7 when he starts. 1-6 when someone else does when he gets hurt running out of the pocket.
I am hopeful that he can turn it around but I have my doubts. It's hard to believe a player who can't hack it on the Redskins can come make the Browns a contender.
Apr 22, 2016 1:08pm