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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Nov 19, 2015 12:19pm
With the exit of Bobby Jindal, the strong conservative governors that made up the deep bench of the Republican Party's presidential prospects have been mostly eliminated. The two remaining in Kasich and Christie are now considered to be moderates and have little apparent chance of breaking out of the doldrums.
If you asked me last year I would have never guessed that they would all be out of it.
If you asked me last year I would have never guessed that they would all be out of it.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Nov 19, 2015 1:31pm
Is Bobby Jindal actually considered "strong" in any category other than Spray Tan?
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Nov 19, 2015 1:44pm
Ha...well in the sense that he was considered a "rising conservative star" with good cred on paper.Heretic;1764573 wrote:Is Bobby Jindal actually considered "strong" in any category other than Spray Tan?
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Nov 19, 2015 4:18pm
This time 4 years ago Herman Cain was leading; anything can happen yet, anything.BoatShoes;1764533 wrote:With the exit of Bobby Jindal, the strong conservative governors that made up the deep bench of the Republican Party's presidential prospects have been mostly eliminated. The two remaining in Kasich and Christie are now considered to be moderates and have little apparent chance of breaking out of the doldrums.
If you asked me last year I would have never guessed that they would all be out of it.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Nov 19, 2015 6:30pm
Herman Cain...the classic example of what happens to black conservatives who threaten the liberal plantation owners....the MSM 'gotcha' bombardment that Ben Carson is now enduring. At least this time around, the public is a little more wary of the tactic, and Carson, for his part is holding up well to the intense scrutiny and even gone on the offensive. Still the dirt digging continues relentlessly, and Carson has slipped a bit in the polls.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Nov 19, 2015 10:30pm
Sigh.HitsRus;1764661 wrote:Herman Cain...the classic example of what happens to black conservatives who threaten the liberal plantation owners....the MSM 'gotcha' bombardment that Ben Carson is now enduring. At least this time around, the public is a little more wary of the tactic, and Carson, for his part is holding up well to the intense scrutiny and even gone on the offensive. Still the dirt digging continues relentlessly, and Carson has slipped a bit in the polls.
Ben Carson and Herman Cain have been their own undoing because they say, believe and do stupid things. e.g. Cain staring blankly at a reporter repeating "Libya, Libya, Libya...which one was that again?" and Ben Carson spewing word salad on foreign policy matters.
They are personally responsible for their own failures.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Nov 19, 2015 10:37pm
I'm not above taking personal responsibility for ones past, but do you think that BHO endured the same scrutiny that Herman and Ben have been subject to?
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Nov 19, 2015 11:56pm
I would agree that they both look stupid and ignorant and are responsible for their own failures in that respect. However are these any worse than Hillary Clinton while caught in a bold faced lie coughing and lifting whatever was in her coffee mug saying that her false recollection was because of sleep deprivation? Also lets not forget the reset button.BoatShoes;1764682 wrote:Sigh.
Ben Carson and Herman Cain have been their own undoing because they say, believe and do stupid things. e.g. Cain staring blankly at a reporter repeating "Libya, Libya, Libya...which one was that again?" and Ben Carson spewing word salad on foreign policy matters.
They are personally responsible for their own failures.
Lest we forget.
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Oh and Cains undoing came when the political opposition dug up a white blonde women calculating that white conservatives would not vote for a black man that forced himself on one of their women. As for Carson as long as his poll numbers remain high they are tirelessly searching every hospital for that white blonde nurse.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Nov 20, 2015 7:08am
Carson is an idiot and a complete detriment to the Republican Party. If the party had any spine it would put its damn foot down and make sure Rubio Bush and Kasich would be battling for the nomination
cruiser_96
Posts: 7,536
Nov 20, 2015 7:39am
I'm curious as to what makes you think Dr. Ben Carson is an idiot.Classyposter58;1764692 wrote:Carson is an idiot and a complete detriment to the Republican Party. If the party had any spine it would put its damn foot down and make sure Rubio Bush and Kasich would be battling for the nomination
I'm equally as curious as to why you think the party should offer Bush and Kasich as nominees - as in, what makes them such better options.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Nov 20, 2015 11:06am
HitsRus;1764684 wrote:I'm not above taking personal responsibility for ones past, but do you think that BHO endured the same scrutiny that Herman and Ben have been subject to?
Sure, you remember when that was happening during the pre-ordaining process.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Nov 20, 2015 12:09pm
^^^you mean annointing process.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Nov 20, 2015 2:14pm
For me, it's mostly the words that come out of his mouth.cruiser_96;1764699 wrote:I'm curious as to what makes you think Dr. Ben Carson is an idiot.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Nov 20, 2015 2:49pm
Yeah, he is such an illiterate.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Nov 20, 2015 3:45pm
He may be book smart but my god he thinks some dumb fucking stuff. The guy believes in a flat tax of 10% bc its condescending to poor people to not tax them, thinks he can ignore the Gay Marriage mandate as president, that President Obama committed treason by cutting some funding to DHS, that bc of anarchy there may not even be an election, and to top it all off that God gave him the answers to an exam in college thru a dream.QuakerOats;1764775 wrote:Yeah, he is such an illiterate.
Haha lets elect this guy
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 20, 2015 5:16pm
Carson is probably a competent surgeon, but he's absolutely an idiot in other respects and has no business running for President. The fact that he and Trump are still at the top of the polls essentially gifts the Presidency to Hillary. She may beat the GOP candidate by more than Obama beat Romney in the last election.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 20, 2015 5:17pm
In all reality, if Romney doesn't jump in to run again, the GOP essentially has folded 8 more years of the executive office.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Nov 20, 2015 5:45pm
Gosh a ruddies oh yeh he got a free pass, few examples attacks on Obama for his minister, his supposed association with Bill Ayers, the claim Michelle was some kind of black militant, that he is a racist.HitsRus;1764684 wrote:I'm not above taking personal responsibility for ones past, but do you think that BHO endured the same scrutiny that Herman and Ben have been subject to?
The birthers claim held by a large part of the Republican Party that he was a Kenyan Muslim. Gosh who was the leading birther, why the current leading candidate for the Republican nomination.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Nov 21, 2015 12:38pm
I think Rubio is actually looking really strong.sleeper;1764811 wrote:In all reality, if Romney doesn't jump in to run again, the GOP essentially has folded 8 more years of the executive office.
My problem with Rubio is he's pretty much the Republican version of Obama - inexperienced but charismatic, never had a real job and is most likely using politics as a path to personal fortune. He does actually seem genuine, at least.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 21, 2015 2:58pm
I think Rubio is probably the favorite after the junk of Carson and Trump. With that said, I don't think Rubio beats Clinton. I think Romney is the GOP's only chance but he seems to rebuke any attempts to get him to enter the race.gut;1764873 wrote:I think Rubio is actually looking really strong.
My problem with Rubio is he's pretty much the Republican version of Obama - inexperienced but charismatic, never had a real job and is most likely using politics as a path to personal fortune. He does actually seem genuine, at least.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Nov 23, 2015 8:59am
That was five years ago.BoatShoes;1764579 wrote:Ha...well in the sense that he was considered a "rising conservative star" with good cred on paper.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 23, 2015 2:40pm
Come on Boat, even you have to admit anytime a type of scrutiny even CLOSE to what Carson has endured already, came to Obama, it was IMMEDIATELY labeled as racist.BoatShoes;1764682 wrote:Sigh.
Ben Carson and Herman Cain have been their own undoing because they say, believe and do stupid things. e.g. Cain staring blankly at a reporter repeating "Libya, Libya, Libya...which one was that again?" and Ben Carson spewing word salad on foreign policy matters.
They are personally responsible for their own failures.
You know it, even if you won't admit it.
Carson has said some dumb things, but Obama also talked about visiting the 53 states and did the media hammer him for that? Nope, no one outside of Rush Limbaugh et al did.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Nov 23, 2015 3:08pm
obama has used federal agencies to go after The People (conservatives people, that it), yet he gets a complete pass despite the greatest abuse of power in presidential history. It is not because he is black (now); it is because he is a mega liberal.
cruiser_96
Posts: 7,536
Nov 23, 2015 7:46pm
jmog: that's the issue as I see it.
MSM doesn't cover/scrutinize democrats like it does PUBs. So when media outlets do ask questions/probe, they are undercut and labeled "right-winged" and are distanced even further when MSM outlets villify and bully those individuals or groups that say anything questioning a dem.
MSM doesn't cover/scrutinize democrats like it does PUBs. So when media outlets do ask questions/probe, they are undercut and labeled "right-winged" and are distanced even further when MSM outlets villify and bully those individuals or groups that say anything questioning a dem.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Nov 23, 2015 10:22pm
Indeed governor's who implement conservative visions of government do fade rather quickly.fish82;1765212 wrote:That was five years ago.