SportsAndLady;1761581 wrote:QB hasn't been the issue this year? REALLY?!

A good QB covers up blemishes..it's a fucking fact. Not sure why you're arguing against that. You're just plain wrong.

Carr is doing well because Carr is a good QB.

Amari Cooper ist he best WR in football right now? LOL are you already drunk at the casino? He's had just three 100 yard games, and four games with under 50 yards receiving. Fuck do you even watch football?

You mention Benjamin...if Cooper is the best receiver in football with 38 catches, 565 yards, and 3 TD's, then what is Benjamin with his 41 catches, 623 yards, and 4 TD's?

You're a joke

You continue to amaze. Fatboy is dead nuts right in his assessment and somehow, someway you think good quarterback play is all the Browns need. Both quarterbacks have played remarkably well given the there is no running game and the o-line is without question the worst in pro football.

As for Derek Carr...this town would have chased his ass out of town last year with his 75 q back rating. Carr is a decent quarterback...Manziel is much better...not even close.

BR1986FB;1761589 wrote:I'm basing my comments off of S&L's "all you need is a good coach and good QB and you're good to go" comment, which is bullshit.

This defense flat out sucks. Not a player I wouldn't trade for a sack of peanuts and that includes the overhyped Haden.

He's also assuming a good QB is going to instantly make guys like Bowe get open or Gabriel catch passes. I'm fine with bringing in a QB but if he thinks this is a one year fix, with the current "talent" in place? Not very likely.

I'm not arguing that they don't need a franchise QB. I've been one of the ones saying "get the QB with the top 3 pick", assuming there's one worth it. But to say "all you need is a coach and a QB" when this defense is pretty damn close to the worst in football is asinine.

And I should've prefaced my Amari Cooper comment with "best YOUNG WR in football." I'm sure that can be debated with Odell Beckhan but I'd take Cooper, right now, if I were starting a team. JMO

What is bullshit about having a good coach and a good QB and you are good to go? Where is there a team out there that has both of those and is consistently bad? Yeah you might have a down year every now and then, but if you have those two things in the NFL, you cannot consistently be 4-12. You just can't.

This team does have talent, they just had what? 6 pro bowlers? They have talent they just aren't being coached and put in good positions on defense.

Nice back track on Cooper...he isn't even the best young WR in football. SMH

Footwedge;1761590 wrote:You continue to amaze. Fatboy is dead nuts right in his assessment and somehow, someway you think good quarterback play is all the Browns need. Both quarterbacks have played remarkably well given the there is no running game and the o-line is without question the worst in pro football.

As for Derek Carr...this town would have chased his ass out of town last year with his 75 q back rating. Carr is a decent quarterback...Manziel is much better...not even close.

Holy shit you're dumb. I don't even know where to start with this, so I'm just going to leave it be.

SportsAndLady;1761581 wrote: You're a joke

I missed this one.

Calling me a "joke" considering this is coming from the one who made the famous quote "use your 1st rounder on a QB for the next ten years until you find one" is comical. And for you to refer to anyone as "overdramatic" considering you've had more meltdowns on here than a 5th grade girl at a Justin Bieber concert is also rich.

SportsAndLady;1761592 wrote:Holy shit you're dumb. I don't even know where to start with this, so I'm just going to leave it be.

The Carr & Manziel comments by FW aside, he's right on this one. QB play hasn't been the issue.

If before the season someone would've said "McCown will have 11 TD's to 4 INT's at this point in the season", most would say "sign me up" considering his previous TD/INT ratio. Manziel didn't play terrible on Thursday either.

The defense can't stop anyone and the O-Line can't run block to make this offense less predictable. A new QB isn't going to change this. They need to fix these issues to give ANY QB a chance to consistently win.

BR1986FB;1761595 wrote:I missed this one.

Calling me a "joke" considering this is coming from the one who made the famous quote "use your 1st rounder on a QB for the next ten years until you find one" is comical. And for you to refer to anyone as "overdramatic" considering you've had more meltdowns on here than a 5th grade girl at a Justin Bieber concert is also rich.

I stand by my first rounder comment...we can't hit on any other position, might as well spend them all on a QB until you find one worth a damn.

Also, link to my meltdowns? You were the one who got so butthurt on here you had to "retire" from this site like it was no big deal, then couldn't stay away lol (pathetic much?)

BR1986FB;1761597 wrote:The Carr & Manziel comments by FW aside, he's right on this one. QB play hasn't been the issue.

If before the season someone would've said "McCown will have 11 TD's to 4 INT's at this point in the season", most would say "sign me up" considering his previous TD/INT ratio. Manziel didn't play terrible on Thursday either.

The defense can't stop anyone and the O-Line can't run block to make this offense less predictable. A new QB isn't going to change this. They need to fix these issues to give ANY QB a chance to consistently win.

A good QB and a good coach fixes a lot of shit. Sorry you don't understand that.

Kinda funny bickering going on here

BR1986FB;1761597 wrote:The Carr & Manziel comments by FW aside, he's right on this one.

Just typing those words should make anyone rethink his/her position on an issue.

Well...let's look at this a little closer....yes our coach is terrible...and that goes a LOONNNG way in determining a team's success. Yes, we have Pro bowlers, but are they pro bowl caliber this year? On paper, McCown looks good, but of his 4 interceptions...how many were late with the game on the line.

Yes we need a good coach...Yes we needbetter QB play...Yes we have talent at a few positions....but we are inadequate at several more.

The critical thing we need to do is upgrade our coaching staff, and evaluate our young players, so that the team's weaknesses can be addressed next year.

SportsAndLady;1761602 wrote: Also, link to my meltdowns? You were the one who got so butthurt on here you had to "retire" from this site like it was no big deal, then couldn't stay away lol (pathetic much?)

Sorry but I'm not going to go back through time to dig up some of your "gems." I'm sure there are plenty of people on here who have seen your stupidity at one time or another.

Al Bundy;1761642 wrote:Just typing those words should make anyone rethink his/her position on an issue.

Yeah, I know but the QB play is the least of the reasons that this team is 2-7. It hasn't been stellar but it hasn't been shitty, like in years past.

BR1986FB;1761660 wrote:Sorry but I'm not going to go back through time to dig up some of your "gems." I'm sure there are plenty of people on here who have seen your stupidity at one time or another.

You said meltdown. Of course I have had some stupidity, who hasn't?

WOuld love to hear a "meltdown" I've had before. Unless of course you want to back track on that like you did with Cooper being the best WR in the NFL.

Lol I agreed with FW to aside from the Carr Manziel thing.

I'm a Bengals fan but when I watch the Browns the only players I look at as good are Barnidge (who saw this season coming) Haden (Has been awful this year) and Joe Thomas. Travis B could be a decent WR but not a 1. There's talent elsewhere but not much. The Browns are missing so many pieces passing up on a first rounder for Joe Thomas will probably be a regret.

I know someone brought up the Bengals drafting well. It basically took our owner to change his philosophy and hire some scouts and hand over personal decisions. Since then we have been great in the draft. I think the Browns need to clean house and find the right person to lead the team. I don't know if that will be a coach or GM or if that persons even out there right now. The Raiders are another example of a dumpster fire turning it around. It also took their owner passing away and a new philosophy to turn them around. It can be done it just has to be with the right guys.

The Browns hiring has been terrible. Holmgren had success as a coach but had a checkered past as a GM. The coaches have been bad. The GMs have been bad. They need to find the right guy and give up total control and open up the checkbook to get him.


I also expect Hue Jackson to be the hot coordinator out there as a coaching hire. I also think he's a little bit of fools gold. Just remember the offense has looked this good before when conpletely healthy and got Jay Gruden the job in Washibngton. You should have hired Zimmer when he wanted the job. I can also see Hue Jackson having the choice of jobs and with Indybprobably being open I can't see him taking the Browns job.

You lost me after the second paragraph.

tl;dr

sportchampps;1761666 wrote:Lol I agreed with FW to aside from the Carr Manziel thing.

I'm a Bengals fan but when I watch the Browns the only players I look at as good are Barnidge (who saw this season coming) Haden (Has been awful this year) and Joe Thomas. Travis B could be a decent WR but not a 1. There's talent elsewhere but not much. The Browns are missing so many pieces passing up on a first rounder for Joe Thomas will probably be a regret.

Precisely my point. Yes, I know they need a QB. I've been one screaming from the mountain tops about it but that, and a new HC, are not going to be the cure all's. They are lacking impact players across the board. A shiny new QB will be nice but if he doesn't have weapons?

Back to the Carr comments, he did ok in his rookie season and they went 3-13. He had no Amari Cooper or Crabtree to throw to. Now, he's doing pretty well. Bringing in a new QB & HC isn't going to pan out until that QB gets his weapons, like Oakland.

BR1986FB;1761828 wrote:Precisely my point. Yes, I know they need a QB. I've been one screaming from the mountain tops about it but that, and a new HC, are not going to be the cure all's. They are lacking impact players across the board. A shiny new QB will be nice but if he doesn't have weapons?

Back to the Carr comments, he did ok in his rookie season and they went 3-13. He had no Amari Cooper or Crabtree to throw to. Now, he's doing pretty well. Bringing in a new QB & HC isn't going to pan out until that QB gets his weapons, like Oakland.

You're just wrong, but okay. Agree to disagree.

Shitforbrains and Lady...thinks the Brown quarterback play is the reason why the team is 2-7. Bwahahahahah.

Neither Carr nor Bridgeater would have survived this town last year with their mediocre ratings. But in Minnesota and Oakland, they play their top drafted quarterback and understand the bad play and the growing pains will eventually subside. Here in Cleveland, after start number 4 the mob cries to cut the rookie quarterback, regardless of how well he played. That's the way it is in this fucked up town. Go figger.

Oh...and Blake Bortles was a POS last year too. Even Andrew Luck, God's quarterback has played like garbage this year. "Cut Johnny...cut Johnny"

sportchampps;1761666 wrote:
The Browns hiring has been terrible. Holmgren had success as a coach but had a checkered past as a GM. The coaches have been bad. The GMs have been bad. They need to find the right guy and give up total control and open up the checkbook to get him.


I also expect Hue Jackson to be the hot coordinator out there as a coaching hire. I also think he's a little bit of fools gold. Just remember the offense has looked this good before when conpletely healthy and got Jay Gruden the job in Washibngton. You should have hired Zimmer when he wanted the job. I can also see Hue Jackson having the choice of jobs and with Indybprobably being open I can't see him taking the Browns job.

Hue Jackson has performed miracles with Andy Dalton and just can't imagine how good Manziel would be under his tutelage. With that said, the team needs a defensive guru to straighten this shit out more than anything.

SportsAndLady;1761829 wrote:You're just wrong, but okay. Agree to disagree.

I'm wrong, yet I have people supporting my argument.....okay.

If you bring in a brand new QB, give him Benjamin, Hawkins, Bowe, Barnidge, Hartline, etc (can't count on Gordon and Benjamin/Barnidge could be gone in FA) to throw to along with Crowell (as his workhorse back) and Duke (as his 3rd down back), along with a new HC, this team isn't "good to go" and a "playoff contender."

There's not a player, for the most part (Benjamin and maybe Duke) that opposing teams fear on offense or defense with this squad. Not one "impact" player. Hell, Cincy goes for it on 4th & 2 in the red zone? What respect! Betcha they're kicking a FG against Pittsburgh in that same situation.

BR1986FB;1761873 wrote:I'm wrong, yet I have people supporting my argument.....okay.

If you bring in a brand new QB, give him Benjamin, Hawkins, Bowe, Barnidge, Hartline, etc (can't count on Gordon and Benjamin/Barnidge could be gone in FA) to throw to along with Crowell (as his workhorse back) and Duke (as his 3rd down back), along with a new HC, this team isn't "good to go" and a "playoff contender."

There's not a player, for the most part (Benjamin and maybe Duke) that opposing teams fear on offense or defense with this squad. Not one "impact" player. Hell, Cincy goes for it on 4th & 2 in the red zone? What respect! Betcha they're kicking a FG against Pittsburgh in that same situation.

Blah blah blah. Didn't even read it. I'm done with your over dramatic hot takes. Take another hiatus from the site for all I care. So sick of reading your horrible posts filled with absolutely nothing of substance. Keep listening to Cleveland sports talk radio but swear you just happened to turn over to the station on accident at that time. Like I said...pathetic.

SportsAndLady;1761878 wrote:Blah blah blah. Didn't even read it. I'm done with your over dramatic hot takes. Take another hiatus from the site for all I care. So sick of reading your horrible posts filled with absolutely nothing of substance. Keep listening to Cleveland sports talk radio but swear you just happened to turn over to the station on accident at that time. Like I said...pathetic.

In other words, you know you're wrong and you have NOTHING.

"Absolutely nothing of substance?" Pot, meet kettle. I'm not the one throwing out the carte blanche "just get a QB and a HC and you're 'good to go' and a 'playoff contender." No need to play defense, no need to run the ball, JUST a QB and they're "good to go" with their one man team.

At least I'm giving reasons WHY your thought process is flawed and not YOUR usual "oh shit, when I'm backed in the corner and have NOTHING I'll use my usual "go to" move, taking a cheap/potshot at someone instead of trying to debate it intelligently (I know, intelligence isn't your strength)."

You're not going to just plug in a QB, with this group, in this division, and instantly be a playoff contender. Yeah, I'm a homer but I'm not a "blind" homer. I can realistically look at this group and see they have a lot of work to do. Not just the "plug in a QB" BS.

BR1986FB;1761907 wrote:In other words, you know you're wrong and you have NOTHING.

"Absolutely nothing of substance?" Pot, meet kettle. I'm not the one throwing out the carte blanche "just get a QB and a HC and you're 'good to go' and a 'playoff contender." No need to play defense, no need to run the ball, JUST a QB and they're "good to go" with their one man team.

At least I'm giving reasons WHY your thought process is flawed and not YOUR usual "oh shit, when I'm backed in the corner and have NOTHING I'll use my usual "go to" move, taking a cheap/potshot at someone instead of trying to debate it intelligently (I know, intelligence isn't your strength)."

You're not going to just plug in a QB, with this group, in this division, and instantly be a playoff contender. Yeah, I'm a homer but I'm not a "blind" homer. I can realistically look at this group and see they have a lot of work to do. Not just the "plug in a QB" BS.

Blah blah blah...let me know when you're finally done with this site.