Writerbuckeye wrote: Assuming Henderson goes South or West, Ohio State has put itself in a real hole so far as recruiting on the lines goes -- especially the OL.

Come 2012, there will be about 6 viable linemen (assuming no injuries) with some experience. Everyone else, including key backups, will be freshmen since there is only one lineman coming in this year.

There's really no excuse for this bad a job of OL recruiting, but OSU under Tressel has done it before (one year they only signed Blankenship, and that turned out well).

I love JT, but his myopia where the OL is concerned (recruiting and lack of development) is not a good thing for the stability of this team.

Tressel was myopic where the OL is concerned 2 years ago???? With the O-linemen OSU has now a new recruit wouldn't see the field for 2 years unless he's a 5 Star.

lhslep134 wrote: I'm EXTREMELY impressed with the job Lane Kiffin is doing out at U$C already.

Best of luck to Henderson, but let's hope he turns out to be the next Sam Young (sorry ND, but Young was supposed to be the next big thing and really didn't pan out), rather than the next Orlando Pace.

To be honest fellow OSU fans, I don't think we'll be playing against USC in the time Henderson is there, so I don't think anyone should get too riled up about it. The talent Tressel has stockpiled in Columbus is nothing short of spectacular, whether it's reflected in the recruiting rankings or not.

You think USC was dirty under Carrol?? The Kiffin regime will make Carrol look like a choir boy.

Big Gain wrote:
You think USC was dirty under Carrol?? The Kiffin regime will make Carrol look like a choir boy.

If I'm USC, I've put a ton of oversight in place since the shit hit the fan. Under the circumstances, USC will probably be run pretty tightly, at least in the short term. Kiffin is a scum bag, I wholeheartedly agree, but I just think the reigns will be to tight right now.

rocket31 wrote:

killer_ewok wrote: I'm not a big fan of Rocket's but if you don't like the things that he says.....either put him on your ignore list or don't bother responding to him. Just a suggestion. That's what some suggest when sleeper and ccrunner pull their stuff with repeating the same ND stuff over and over again.

says the notorious tard irish fan who believes charlie weis was a "bad play caller" last season

yeah, this same "bad play caller" who just happened to land an OC job in the NFL a week after he is fired...

that dang NFL always hiring poor decision makers to be offensive coordinators, what are they thinking?

again, no need to get your panties in a wad since you were proven foolish.

You're just now figuring out Charlie is a good offensive coordinator BUT a terrible head coach??? Typical for a fan of the school that hired a high school coach to be the head coach of a storied program. ND has never recovered. Now ND has gone for a coach because he has a gimmick offense.

Big Gain wrote: Typical for a fan of the school that hired a high school coach to be the head coach of a storied program. ND has never recovered. Now ND has gone for a coach because he has a gimmick offense.

I'm not an Irish fan but Lou Holtz and his 1988 National Championship disagrees.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/sports/ncaafootball/04recruit.html

According to this article, Henderson's father said that his son isn't signing his LOI until he sees what happens with the NCAA investigation at USC. Can anyone confirm if that's true?

"And it may not be over: According to his father, Sean, Henderson is not signing his letter of intent until U.S.C. appears before an N.C.A.A. infractions committee later this month. Though any possible sanctions may not come at that time, Sean Henderson said the family would get a sense of where the investigation was heading. "

Several other interesting comments in the article as well about Seantrel's visits. Apparently Tressel's attention to detail was "boring" and Randy Shannon had to wait an hour and a half to meet with the Hendersons because Seantrel was having his hair done. lol

Naw, if its true I'd rather him stay at USC.

He picked them and he knew that possible sanctions could be handed out. He could have extended his decision like TP until later after the rulings were made.

devil1197 wrote: Naw, if its true I'd rather him stay at USC.

He picked them and he knew that possible sanctions could be handed out. He could have extended his decision like TP until later after the rulings were made.

Yeah, I completely agree. If USC is where he wants to be, then that's fine. If sanctions are given to USC, and he tries to go to another school, it would be hilarious if they wouldn't accept his commitment though. Many of those comments in the article make me think that Henderson and his father are a little full of themselves.

I would guess that Kiffin assured him that the sanctions, if any, would not be severe. Hope it doesn't backfire on him.

It is true as of right now.

His rivals page only has solid commit to USC while all the other guys are SIGNED LOI. This means he hasn't sent his LOI into USC yet lol.

ironman02 wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/sports/ncaafootball/04recruit.html

According to this article, Henderson's father said that his son isn't signing his LOI until he sees what happens with the NCAA investigation at USC. Can anyone confirm if that's true?

"And it may not be over: According to his father, Sean, Henderson is not signing his letter of intent until U.S.C. appears before an N.C.A.A. infractions committee later this month. Though any possible sanctions may not come at that time, Sean Henderson said the family would get a sense of where the investigation was heading. "

Several other interesting comments in the article as well about Seantrel's visits. Apparently Tressel's attention to detail was "boring" and Randy Shannon had to wait an hour and a half to meet with the Hendersons because Seantrel was having his hair done. lol

From that article it says the Henderson's "They also liked the warm weather, but had concerns about Miami’s fast pace."

Like L.A. is much better? Oh well, it is sad to see that he isn't coming to Ohio State.

It was also disheartening to see that they called Coach Tressel "boring" for being so detailed with his recruiting pitch. This isn't like talking over where to go for dinner. It is a life changing commitment and I know when I chose a college I wanted to know as much as possible in regards to pro's/con's.

Best of luck to Seantrel at USC.

devil1197 wrote: Naw, if its true I'd rather him stay at USC.

He picked them and he knew that possible sanctions could be handed out. He could have extended his decision like TP until later after the rulings were made.

No you wouldn't. IF he changes his mind, you would take him in a heart beat and be happy about it.
As I mentioned on another thread....if you think this is the only crazy parent out there, your kidding yourself. College coaches deal with parents like this often, no question about it. Once the kid is signed, dad will get pushed to the background as that kid is basically the property of that university.

^^^unless your parent is Craig James

^^^^

good one

vball10set wrote: ^^^unless your parent is Craig James

No doubt, James is an idiot. BUT Mike Leach was STUPID for what he did!

^^^agreed

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While 5-Star offensive tackle Andrew Norwell (6-6/255) is the highest rated player in the Ohio State Class of 2010, it's the skill position players that should leave the biggest mark on this class. Running back Roderick Smith (6-2/215) is ranked #8 in the country at his position, and three wide receivers are coming to Columbus rated 4-Stars including Corey Brown (5-11/170/4.45), James Louis (5-11/180/4.45), and Tyrone Williams (6-5/185/4.65).

Can we all just agree that JT can't close well unless it's a kid in his backyard that's been a silent for some time? Sorry TP doesn't take away from all the guys we've "had", and then lost. He's still a good recruiter, but with each passing year, I'm starting to think it's more the state and school that he's at that helps him so much.

Tressel sells Ohio State, not your name on a jersey or a program that has your likeness. His comfort zone is with those that want to attend OSU, I'm fine with that. If they need a dog and pony show then their commitment isn't as strong. I can live with it.

jpake1 wrote: Can we all just agree that JT can't close well unless it's a kid in his backyard that's been a silent for some time? Sorry TP doesn't take away from all the guys we've "had", and then lost. He's still a good recruiter, but with each passing year, I'm starting to think it's more the state and school that he's at that helps him so much.

No, I don't agree. OSU is known for signing quite a few players early. He has brought in top 5/10 classes on a consistant basis.
This thing about "closing" is overrated often. As is the "ranking recruiting classes". The reality is that MOST recruits are already committed prior to signing day. Then there are the FEW top players who have yet to commit. Signing day is a MEDIA thing, thus those FEW are publicized all over the place, giving the impression that a school can't close. Well, they closed on 18 other recruits, didn't they? They wanted them, recruited them, and got them early. Just because you miss out on one, two or three that were holding out till the end...doesn't mean squat. Be great to get them, yes. And its not like OSU is the ONLY school "not closing". Last I checked, MANY other schools missed out on those players as well.
Am I disappointed in this class? Yes. But its one year. No biggie. If it happens again, then there maybe reason for concern.

centralbucksfan wrote:

jpake1 wrote: Can we all just agree that JT can't close well unless it's a kid in his backyard that's been a silent for some time? Sorry TP doesn't take away from all the guys we've "had", and then lost. He's still a good recruiter, but with each passing year, I'm starting to think it's more the state and school that he's at that helps him so much.

No, I don't agree. OSU is known for signing quite a few players early. He has brought in top 5/10 classes on a consistant basis.
This thing about "closing" is overrated often. As is the "ranking recruiting classes". The reality is that MOST recruits are already committed prior to signing day. Then there are the FEW top players who have yet to commit. Signing day is a MEDIA thing, thus those FEW are publicized all over the place, giving the impression that a school can't close. Well, they closed on 18 other recruits, didn't they? They wanted them, recruited them, and got them early. Just because you miss out on one, two or three that were holding out till the end...doesn't mean squat. Be great to get them, yes. And its not like OSU is the ONLY school "not closing". Last I checked, MANY other schools missed out on those players as well.
Am I disappointed in this class? Yes. But its one year. No biggie. If it happens again, then there maybe reason for concern.

CBF you make great points and I agree with you. I think those kids who do wait till the end are more easily swayed by the dog and pony show than those who are solid in their committment.

I know my perception isn't everyone's but when I was coming out of high school and I visited a college's coaching staff and toured the campus I got an immediate feel for the place and if I could see myself fitting in. I would be at the school for maybe an entire afternoon, these kids are getting weekends at schools, meeting all the players and coaches. How someone could take months after a visit is beyond me.

So national signing day to me is for kids who either want that attention and media coverage on ESPN U or they really don't feel like one school stands out more than the other in which case the dog and pony show is factored in. Is this the case for every player? Of course not, just my $0.02 on some cases in which I think theatrics overshadows reality.

JT does recruit well, but I think it has a lot to do with him being the coach at OSU and being located in a state that's rich with HS talent. He gets the easy ones, and he gets them early. He gets a few out of staters early in the process they know they want to be Buckeyes early in the process. The resume doesn't lie, JT does NOT land the big recruits with high interest at the very end that aren't silents from Glenville. Yes, of course other teams also miss out on them. But how many of these guys are said to be OSU leans, then at the very end they sign else where? A couple last year, and now a couple this year. I don't need to show the proof, the proof is written all over the OSU recruiting boards. It's my opinion that JT doesn't sell the school as well as other coaches. He gets the players that want to be Buckeyes that know it early on. But when it comes to a kid the really doesn't know and needs swayed, JT has a hard time being a great salesman. He doesn't have to use dirty tactics, but I think he does need to be more aggressive in his efforts. The whole, "take all the visits and make sure it's for you" approach doesn't work on most of the big boys that are torn between a decision. Luckily for JT, he's in a state that has a lot of great talent, and that he's a pretty damn good coach. I think he's a good recruiter, but his weakness is that he doesn't close very well. You can't get them all, but there is something to be said about losing recruits year in and year out at the last second that were predicted to commit to you. I think it just shows that other coaches are saving their best for last, and no it isn't always dirty tactics. At the end of the day, he's a good recruiter; but if you're a betting man come early Feb, you know to bet against JT closing.

I'm also starting to find it a bit humerous about this dog and pony show stuff. It seems like those kind of comments only come out when a player doesn't come to OSU. This is a HUGE decision for a YOUNG kid. They most definitely should take their time. How many SR's in HS, that aren't playing athletics in college, are still going through the process? The answer is A LOT. Are they doing the dog and pony show? It's not these HS kids fault that recruiting is a huge media favorite now-a-days. Of course these kids like the attention. Don't all of us like to be acknowledge for our hard work and talents? These same kids that like the acknowledgement also hate the attention at times. You guys have read the articles, almost all recruits say that is the worst part about recruiting; enough to the point they shut their phones off. Yes there are a few crazies out there that love this stuff. But it just seems that if it comes down to the wire, and a player doesn't pick OSU, they were doing it for the attention.

How the hell does a kid that isn't playing sports warrant a dog and pony show anyway?

So Tressel doesn't close on the top recruit every season, when he's got a pretty full cupboard this season. What do you suggest? Fire the guy? He sells OHIO STATE, not a Hummer, not a place for your mom to live, no winks and nods. Those that are on the fence for whatever reason, have in the past, and in this case particularly cited "boring salesmanship" AKA I didn't get the dog and pony show. We aren't bringing it up, they are by their stated reasons for deciding to go elsewhere.

jpake,

Comments I made were about the process in general. Hearing recruits that were trying to be swayed from Florida by other coaches telling them that Urban Meyer is leave to coach the Dallas Cowboys. That amongst countless other things that I am sure are said.

A few years back the only thing we thought coaches would B.S. is telling a kid he would start right away to get him to their school. Now there are rumors about a coach saying he would die to coach a recruit? I know that has not been proven true but it just seems like recruiting has become a sleazy practice real fast.

The All American game added to this with the "hat trick". I think it is cool to have kids commit during the game; but stand there with your colleges hat behind your back and when you announce then put it on. It seems like the hat game has just turned into games kids play throughout the entire process.

Again my comments are not pointed towards anyone, just recruiting in general.

They don't. And not all these kids that play football are asking for one. However, they do get one because of the media being up their ass for several months out of the year. In other words, don't blame these kids, blame the media.

Way to be a prick as well. If a kid waits til the end, he's just interested in the illegal benefits. Is there something wrong with saying a person in the program was boring? Isn't that what most huddlers bitch about during the season.. our boring playcalling.

mucalum49 wrote: jpake,

Comments I made were about the process in general. Hearing recruits that were trying to be swayed from Florida by other coaches telling them that Urban Meyer is leave to coach the Dallas Cowboys. That amongst countless other things that I am sure are said.

A few years back the only thing we thought coaches would B.S. is telling a kid he would start right away to get him to their school. Now there are rumors about a coach saying he would die to coach a recruit? I know that has not been proven true but it just seems like recruiting has become a sleazy practice real fast.

The All American game added to this with the "hat trick". I think it is cool to have kids commit during the game; but stand there with your colleges hat behind your back and when you announce then put it on. It seems like the hat game has just turned into games kids play throughout the entire process.

Again my comments are not pointed towards anyone, just recruiting in general.

Understood, and agree with what you said.

Not being a prick, pointing out a flaw in your assesment. There's nothing wrong with saying it's a boring sell, particularly if it's done early in the process, later on though, I don't buy it so much. Is there something wrong with being straight to the point about what the University can offer you without a lot of glitz, bells and whitles? Do not believe the crap about boring play calling without looking into for yourself. It's been pretty damn effective, as has been the recruiting.

Again, what should be done? Is what JT doing worth all the ruckus as far as not getting a couple guys every season because they may want to start right away, or walk to the beach and see celebrities drive by regularly? I hardly think so.