HitsRus;1736987 wrote:There is a difference between a public institution ( The State of South Carolina), flying a flag viewed by many as a symbol of racism, and an individual(s) desecrating an American flag in protest. Likewise, private individuals should be able to fly a Confederate flag as protected free speech, but that right does not exist for a public institution.

That's why I say let the people decide.

FatHobbit;1736972 wrote:Would you say anyone who ever lynched or murdered a black person was mentally ill? There is a long history of murder and intimidation of blacks in the south.

In 2015, if you lynch a black person you are some sort of mentally deranged. Yes.

Tiernan;1736985 wrote:When proven to look like a dumbass I resort to gay jokes

Oh.

Let's get rid of the Stars and Bars. All our problems will disappear.

queencitybuckeye;1736983 wrote:Of the "state's rights" the states were fighting for, the primary one was the right to determine whether a state could allow human beings to own other human beings.

Correct. I never disagreed (in fact I pretty much said it in one of my first posts). The hot topic of the day was slavery.

I also never disagreed with the removal of the flag. I also never took a "side" in the war. I also agreed the flag is a symbol of racism. But keep on telling me how wrong I am. It probably makes you feel better.

WebFire;1736743 wrote:The flag has nothing to do with slavery itself.

WebFire;1736998 wrote:I also agreed the flag is a symbol of racism.

Oops

This is where he tells you to fuck off and go Bucks!

SportsAndLady;1737000 wrote:Oops

My very first post in this thread.

WebFire;1736737 wrote:But over time that flag has become the symbol for racism.

Oooops.

There is a difference in the actual meaning of a flag and what it became to symbolize. I'm sure you struggle with the difference.

WebFire;1736998 wrote:Correct. I never disagreed (in fact I pretty much said it in one of my first posts). The hot topic of the day was slavery.

I also never disagreed with the removal of the flag. I also never took a "side" in the war. I also agreed the flag is a symbol of racism. But keep on telling me how wrong I am. It probably makes you feel better.

WebFire;1736737 wrote:He's not entirely wrong though. But over time that flag has become the symbol for racism.

I do agree with the point about the South losing the war. That is the one really good reason for the flag not ever flying in the first place.

WebFire;1736743 wrote:Check your history. The flag has nothing to do with slavery itself.

SportsAndLady;1737000 wrote:Oops

You beat me to it haha. Total reversal.

WebFire;1737002 wrote:My very first post in this thread.



Oooops.

There is a difference in the actual meaning of a flag and what it became to symbolize. I'm sure you struggle with the difference.

You struggle to understand that it represents the confederate's, a group of state's that came together to protect slavery and white supremacy. It's whole meaning and what it represents is just that, there are no qualifiers here.

Zoltan;1737004 wrote:You struggle to understand that it represents the confederate's, a group of state's that came together to protect slavery and white supremacy. It's whole meaning and what it represents is just that, there are no qualifiers here.

No, I do get that. But I don't agree that it's just that simple. People want to label it the same as the KKK flag, and I disagree with that.

Again, I'm not defending anything. Just don't think it's a "slavery flag". Much more complicated than that. But on the surface, it is viewed as such.

Zoltan;1737003 wrote:You beat me to it haha. Total reversal.

Again...the flag represented a group fighting for states' rights, of which slavery was the at the forefront. Therefore, people associated it with slavery and slavery alone. So my statement is that the flag is not about slavery itself, because it isn't. The KKK flag is directly about racism and hate for blacks. Two different things, IMO.

And again, I say, take the flag down. It has become a symbol of racism.

Not sure how else I can say it.

When we let elected politicians, interest groups and media determine what right for the comon person, symbols of history, pride of our heritage what we get is half-ass political correctness bullshit, politicial bias agenda, minority rules (few over the populace).

Those Southern States and the common people with a deep home grown heritage and pride take it to a vote. If the Flag still flies after the vote is taken those politicians who took the bait please step down … your career is over..
If the Flag is taken down after the vote has been counted them everyone a winner...

WebFire;1737006 wrote:Again...the flag represented a group fighting for states' rights

If they were fighting for states' rights, they should not have had a problem with the northern states each deciding for themselves that they did not want slavery. The South having a problem with it is contradictory to the cause of fighting for states' rights.

Why you continue to beat that illogical drum is beyond me. Oh wait, no it's not. It's clear you have a problem grasping logic and reason.

Oh, and lol @ your backtracking.

WebFire;1737002 wrote:My very first post in this thread.



Oooops.

There is a difference in the actual meaning of a flag and what it became to symbolize. I'm sure you struggle with the difference.

Lol nice backtracking. Amazing

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lhslep134;1737012 wrote:If they were fighting for states' rights, they should not have had a problem with the northern states each deciding for themselves that they did not want slavery. The South having a problem with it is contradictory to the cause of fighting for states' rights.

Why you continue to beat that illogical drum is beyond me. Oh wait, no it's not. It's clear you have a problem grasping logic and reason.

Oh, and lol @ your backtracking.

They were fighting over the Union wanting to take away that right entirely...

The war resolved two fundamental questions left unresolved by the revolution: whether the United States was to be a dissolvable confederation of sovereign states or an indivisible nation with a sovereign national government;

The North was trying to push their agenda on the entire US and take away state rights. This had been brewing for decades. The South relied on slave labor because it was primarily agricultural, where the North was more industrial. The North was trying to force law that all new states would be slave-free, and the South wanted it to be left to individual states. With Lincoln being elected (an anti-slavery President, who campaigned on it), all hell broke loose.

So, the South wasn't fighting because the Northern states decided for themselves they didn't want slavery, but rather fighting because those Northern states were trying to make it the law of the land at the Federal level.

Very similar to what's happening today, where the Feds try to have too much control and people want things left up to the state.

SportsAndLady;1737013 wrote:Lol nice backtracking. Amazing

Says the guy who has give zero actual information to the topic.

What exactly did I back track on? I've said throughout that the flag itself did not stand for slavery, but has become a symbol for it. Pretty simple to understand.

Belly35;1737009 wrote:When we let elected politicians, interest groups and media determine what right for the comon person, symbols of history, pride of our heritage what we get is half-ass political correctness bullshit, politicial bias agenda, minority rules (few over the populace).

Those Southern States and the common people with a deep home grown heritage and pride take it to a vote. If the Flag still flies after the vote is taken those politicians who took the bait please step down … your career is over..
If the Flag is taken down after the vote has been counted them everyone a winner...

Let's let belly decide our decisions

WebFire;1737016 wrote:
So, the South wasn't fighting because the Northern states decided for themselves they didn't want slavery, but rather fighting because those Northern states were trying to make it the law of the land at the Federal level.

You mean like how the government normally works?

From the article I posted that destroys that argument:

The South’s opposition to states’ rights is not surprising. Until the Civil War, Southern presidents and lawmakers had dominated the federal government. The people in power in Washington always oppose states’ rights. Doing so preserves their own.

lhslep134;1737023 wrote:You mean like how the government normally works?

From the article I posted that destroys that argument:

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Fine, whatever you want. We'll use your opinion piece to decide what history was. You've won the internet today.

WebFire;1737026 wrote:Fine, whatever you want. We'll use your opinion piece to decide what history was. You've won the internet today.

The Civil War was about slavery, plain and simple. Not states' rights. The southern states wanted slavery, the northern ones didn't. That's not a states' rights argument. Sorry your inferior cognitive reasoning ability is incapable of appreciating the distinction and that I have to keep explaining the distinction to you. Each time I have to do so, I become more inclined to be an ass to you.

So stop being dumb so I can stop being a dick.

DeyDurkie5;1737020 wrote:Let's let belly decide our decisions

He'd go back to slavery in a heartbeat.

lhslep134;1737031 wrote:


The Civil War was about slavery, plain and simple. Not states' rights. The southern states wanted slavery, the northern ones didn't. That's not a states' rights argument. Sorry your inferior cognitive reasoning ability is incapable of appreciating the distinction and that I have to keep explaining the distinction to you. Each time I have to do so, I become more inclined to be an ass to you.

So stop being dumb so I can stop being a dick.

No, you're inclined to do so because your just an asshole.