Zoltan;1736793 wrote:Nope. Again read the history lesson I posted.

lhslep134;1736778 wrote:This is such a dumb argument. It doesn't matter whatsoever what the flag used to stand for. It only matters what it represents now. And now it's the symbol of racist Southerners.

Guess what: the swastika wasn't always a symbol of hate but now it's become one. http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/symbol-swastika-and-its-12000-year-old-history-001312

So Belly, should we allow swastikas to be plastered everywhere because of their peaceful origin? No. So shut the fuck up you hillbilly racist.

SportsAndLady;1736795 wrote:Dude. What?

Fighting for their rights. Their rights were they wanted slavery (along other things). But they weren't fighting for slavery?

Don't be so dense.

SportsAndLady;1736795 wrote:Dude. What?

Fighting for their rights. Their rights were they wanted slavery (along other things). But they weren't fighting for slavery?

Don't be so dense.

WebFire;1736796 wrote:No. If I am going to read up on it, it won't be a from the author of a publication in the politics section who clearly feels strongly in one direction.

Zoltan;1736804 wrote:It's not really an opinion article, he just just pulled the written words of the founders and organized them. It's more an oral history.

Yes, slavery was of course the central point of contention, but as an example of state sovereignty versus federal authority. The war was fought over state's rights and the limits of federal power in a union of states. The perceived threat to state autonomy became an existential one through the specific dispute over slavery. The issue was not slavery per se, but who decided whether slavery was acceptable, local institutions or a distant central government power.

BRF;1736808 wrote:This old man says it's time to let go of that symbol being on an official flag of a state government.

WebFire;1736809 wrote:This is all I'm trying to say.

Confederate states did claim the right to secede, but no state claimed to be seceding for that right. In fact, Confederates opposed states’ rights — that is, the right of Northern states not to support slavery.

South Carolina was further upset that New York no longer allowed “slavery transit.” In the past, if Charleston gentry wanted to spend August in the Hamptons, they could bring their cook along. No longer — and South Carolina’s delegates were outraged. In addition, they objected that New England states let black men vote and tolerated abolitionist societies. According to South Carolina, states should not have the right to let their citizens assemble and speak freely when what they said threatened slavery.

Other seceding states echoed South Carolina. “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world,” proclaimed Mississippi in its own secession declaration, passed Jan. 9, 1861. “Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of the commerce of the earth. . . . A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.”

The South’s opposition to states’ rights is not surprising. Until the Civil War, Southern presidents and lawmakers had dominated the federal government. The people in power in Washington always oppose states’ rights. Doing so preserves their own.

lhslep134;1736823 wrote:You, and the author you cited, apparently are incapable of appreciating the logical underpinnings of fighting for states' rights.







http://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths-about-why-the-south-seceded/2011/01/03/ABHr6jD_story.html

gut;1736831 wrote:Mostly these days I consider it a symbol of Country Music....go to many good country concerts (the good ones, not the modern/neo-country pop crap) and you'll see many confederate flags.

WebFire;1736833 wrote:The problem is, everyone, myself included, look to the opinions and interpretations of others. Your article is even an opinion column, as stated at the top.

rmolin73;1736786 wrote:Lol of course Belly would have this stance.

Belly35;1736843 wrote:no no no bro Nowhere did I state that I supported or not support this issue with the confederate flag. I presented a different side of the issue whether it is my view or opinion is that of the reader determination and the same same can be made about the confederate flag.

ban guns, ban flags, ban history, ban everything .... But to address the real problem "mental illness" becaue whacko kill and crazy individual harm the innocent is to difficult a task, so take the easy and distraction route that solves nothing. What will be the next reason that some nut job kills..... Tattoos

Belly35;1736843 wrote:no no no bro Nowhere did I state that I supported or not support this issue with the confederate flag. I presented a different side of the issue whether it is my view or opinion is that of the reader determination and the same same can be made about the confederate flag.

ban guns, ban flags, ban history, ban everything .... But to address the real problem "mental illness" becaue whacko kill and crazy individual harm the innocent is to difficult a task, so take the easy and distraction route that solves nothing. What will be the next reason that some nut job kills..... Tattoos

Fab4Runner;1736847 wrote:Perhaps Dylann Roof was just a hateful racist, and not a whacko nut job.

Automatik;1736853 wrote:Was Roof diagnosed as mentally ill?

DeyDurkie5;1736858 wrote:Man belly is so racist he can't even comprehend that he is, in fact, racist.

Belly35;1736843 wrote:no no no bro Nowhere did I state that I supported or not support this issue with the confederate flag. I presented a different side of the issue whether it is my view or opinion is that of the reader determination and the same same can be made about the confederate flag.

ban guns, ban flags, ban history, ban everything .... But to address the real problem "mental illness" becaue whacko kill and crazy individual harm the innocent is to difficult a task, so take the easy and distraction route that solves nothing. What will be the next reason that some nut job kills..... Tattoos

Fab4Runner;1736847 wrote:Perhaps Dylann Roof was just a hateful racist, and not a whacko nut job.