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Apr 4, 2016 11:44 AM
sleeper;1790086 wrote:He's a max player. The fact that it needs to be stated that he had a good game shows how much of a waste of space he is.

Win or lose, he's gone at the end of the year.
Worth more as a max player than TT IMO....he is the one that needs to come off the books
Apr 4, 2016 11:44am
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Apr 4, 2016 12:01 PM
slingshot4ever;1790093 wrote:Worth more as a max player than TT IMO....he is the one that needs to come off the books
Love is being paid about ~$30M more over 5 years. I think TT is overpaid but not as big of a burden as Love.

TT is fine; he was never expected to be a star or win games with Lebron on the bench. Love is supposed to be that guy(along with Irving).
Apr 4, 2016 12:01pm
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Apr 4, 2016 12:57 PM
Midstate01;1790059 wrote:Probably the best game love has had in a long time. He moved well without the ball, went to the post a lot, and also passed it really well too.

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It's no coincidence that every time Kyrie sits, or doesn't play much Kevin has a big game. He was averaging 20-10 before Kyrie came back to play inefficient hero ball.
Apr 4, 2016 12:57pm
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Apr 4, 2016 3:35 PM
IMO if someone gets traded, it's Kyrie. Not Love.

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Apr 4, 2016 3:35pm
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Apr 4, 2016 3:45 PM
Midstate01;1790150 wrote:IMO if someone gets traded, it's Kyrie. Not Love.

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Yup. Give me a TRUE pass first PG who can defend. All the things Kyrie can not do. Heck, I don't think you miss much having Delly run the point, Mo's been solid since he's come back.
Apr 4, 2016 3:45pm
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Apr 4, 2016 4:27 PM
Benny The Jet;1790154 wrote:Yup. Give me a TRUE pass first PG who can defend. All the things Kyrie can not do. Heck, I don't think you miss much having Delly run the point, Mo's been solid since he's come back.
Trading Kyrie would be one of the worst decisions ever. What Cleveland needs is a Pat Riley/Erik Spoelstra to steer the ship. Lebron runs the whole damn thing and it's why it's a mess
Apr 4, 2016 4:27pm
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Apr 4, 2016 4:33 PM
+1 for dumping Kyrie.

Apparently Classy doesn't actually watch the games, shocking!
Apr 4, 2016 4:33pm
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Apr 4, 2016 4:44 PM
Midstate01;1790150 wrote:IMO if someone gets traded, it's Kyrie. Not Love.

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Kyrie is on the block too but only because he is a better player and has a better deal; also read as, we can get more for him.
Apr 4, 2016 4:44pm
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Apr 4, 2016 4:45 PM
Classyposter58;1790166 wrote:Trading Kyrie would be one of the worst decisions ever. What Cleveland needs is a Pat Riley/Erik Spoelstra to steer the ship. Lebron runs the whole damn thing and it's why it's a mess
Wrong. Irving is a good player, perhaps a top 3 PG in the league, but its pretty apparent he doesn't work well with Lebron or the team's philosophy in general.
Apr 4, 2016 4:45pm
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Apr 4, 2016 4:49 PM
Kyrie is not a top 3 PG in the league. Just stop. Would he be better without Love and LeBron? Yes. Is Love and LeBron better than Irving and LeBron? Yes. Is Kyrie a top 3 PG alone? Still no.
Apr 4, 2016 4:49pm
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Apr 4, 2016 4:53 PM
Laley23;1790179 wrote:Kyrie is not a top 3 PG in the league. Just stop. Would he be better without Love and LeBron? Yes. Is Love and LeBron better than Irving and LeBron? Yes. Is Kyrie a top 3 PG alone? Still no.
Who's better?

I'll give you Curry and Westbrook. Lilliard maybe. Top 4 at worst.
Apr 4, 2016 4:53pm
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Apr 4, 2016 4:56 PM
sleeper;1790183 wrote:Who's better?
Curry
Westbrook
Anyone else I say you will just come back with as a trash player who hasn't won anything, so what's the point?
Apr 4, 2016 4:56pm
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Apr 4, 2016 4:57 PM
Laley23;1790185 wrote:Curry
Westbrook
Anyone else I say you will just come back with as a trash player who hasn't won anything, so what's the point?
Exactly. Glad you are learning. Thanks for validating my claim though!
Apr 4, 2016 4:57pm
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Apr 4, 2016 4:58 PM
Curry
Paul
Westbrook
Lillard
Lowry

Hell I'd probably take Conley over him, maybe Teague.
Apr 4, 2016 4:58pm
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Apr 4, 2016 5:04 PM
Automatik;1790187 wrote:Curry
Paul
Westbrook
Lillard
Lowry

Hell I'd probably take Conley over him, maybe Teague.
I'd take those 5 and Wall (especially for this team). Then I'd take KI over Conley and Teague. But wouldn't quibble with Conley cause I hunk he would fit this team well. Teague? No thanks.
Apr 4, 2016 5:04pm
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Apr 4, 2016 5:04 PM
sleeper;1790186 wrote:Exactly. Glad you are learning. Thanks for validating my claim though!

Except I can say the same thing for KI, so we just don't have a 3rd Pg in the NBA.
Apr 4, 2016 5:04pm
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Apr 4, 2016 5:05 PM
Automatik;1790187 wrote:Curry
Paul
Westbrook
Lillard
Lowry

Hell I'd probably take Conley over him, maybe Teague.
Paul. Old. Never won MVP. Can't get the Clips anywhere except playoff losses. Never won anything. Overrated and on the decline.
Lilliard? Who knows. Plays on a scrub team and puts up big numbers. Aka, dime a dozen.
Lowry? See above.

Conley and Teague, likewise.

Call it the Kevin Love effect if you will. Good player on a bad team makes good player look better than he actually is.

I'd take Irving over any PG in the league besides Curry and WB. We will see who's right when KI gets tested in the trade market at the end of the year.
Apr 4, 2016 5:05pm
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Apr 4, 2016 5:07 PM
Laley23;1790191 wrote:Except I can say the same thing for KI, so we just don't have a 3rd Pg in the NBA.
KI is what? 22? 23? Coming off major injuries?

Little too early to call him trash because he hasn't won a championship yet. How many finals has Lilliard played in? How many finals has CP3 played in? Likewise for any of the other trash PG you tried to bring forth.
Apr 4, 2016 5:07pm
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Apr 4, 2016 5:07 PM
sleeper;1790192 wrote:Paul. Old. Never won MVP. Can't get the Clips anywhere except playoff losses. Never won anything. Overrated and on the decline.
Lilliard? Who knows. Plays on a scrub team and puts up big numbers. Aka, dime a dozen.
Lowry? See above.

Conley and Teague, likewise.

Call it the Kevin Love effect if you will. Good player on a bad team makes good player look better than he actually is.

I'd take Irving over any PG in the league besides Curry and WB. We will see who's right when KI gets tested in the trade market at the end of the year.
KI played led his team to the top pick! Can't stay healthy, puts up decent numbers on shit teams. Can't even win a fucking title with LeBron on the team. At least 20 other guys could do that!!!
Apr 4, 2016 5:07pm
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Apr 4, 2016 5:09 PM
sleeper;1790193 wrote:KI is what? 22? 23? Coming off major injuries?

Little too early to call him trash because he hasn't won a championship yet. How many finals has Lilliard played in? How many finals has CP3 played in? Likewise for any of the other trash PG you tried to bring forth.
Major injuries? Had those dating back to HS. Not gonna change. A PG player who can't stay on the floor is trash.
Apr 4, 2016 5:09pm
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Apr 4, 2016 5:09 PM
Kyrie is 24, a shoot first ball hog and injury prone.

Hope this helps.
Apr 4, 2016 5:09pm
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Apr 4, 2016 5:09 PM
Laley23;1790190 wrote:I'd take those 5 and Wall (especially for this team). Then I'd take KI over Conley and Teague. But wouldn't quibble with Conley cause I hunk he would fit this team well. Teague? No thanks.
Wall? Wall is the worst PG in the league. I wouldn't take Wall if he was gifted to us along with a free 1st round pick. He's not good, hasn't won anything, will never win anything; can we cut the shit about Wall? He's a dumpster tier PG along with Rose only difference is Rose actually won an MVP(LOL, btw), which goes to tell you how big a dumpster player you are when Rose can win an MVP and you can't.
Apr 4, 2016 5:09pm
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Apr 4, 2016 5:11 PM
Laley23;1790194 wrote:KI played led his team to the top pick! Can't stay healthy, puts up decent numbers on shit teams. Can't even win a fucking title with LeBron on the team. At least 20 other guys could do that!!!
Agreed on the healthy part which is why he's put in a "gets a pass for not winning" category instead of pure dumpster like John Wall who lives, sleeps, and eats in the dumpster.

Patience with KI is running thin but he will command a lot in the trade market and there's no doubt about that.
Apr 4, 2016 5:11pm
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Apr 4, 2016 5:12 PM
Lol Chris Paul is having one of the best years of his career. But hey, he's on the decline.
Apr 4, 2016 5:12pm
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Apr 4, 2016 5:12 PM
Automatik;1790196 wrote:Kyrie is 24, a shoot first ball hog and injury prone.

Hope this helps.
He's never won anything either and he couldn't make the NBA all-star team(3 raptors made it?????) which means he's on the block for being straight garbage.

For now though, he's still a top 3 PG but he's on watch.
Apr 4, 2016 5:12pm