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Apr 30, 2015 4:47 PM
No but because you see one cop shoot someone and plant evidence also doesn't mean all cops do that
Apr 30, 2015 4:47pm
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Apr 30, 2015 4:51 PM
WebFire;1725631 wrote:That article doesn't say he broke his own neck.

Essentially it does.

No one else broke it. And, the other guy in the van exited ok.
Apr 30, 2015 4:51pm
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Apr 30, 2015 4:58 PM
QuakerOats;1725635 wrote:Essentially it does.

No one else broke it. And, the other guy in the van exited ok.
Well, that doesn't exactly hold up in the court of law. What the article said was...
Details surrounding exactly what caused Gray to slam into the back of the van was unclear. The officer driving the van has yet to give a statement to authorities. It’s also unclear whether Gray’s head injury was voluntary or was a result of some other action.
Apr 30, 2015 4:58pm
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Apr 30, 2015 4:59 PM
sportchampps;1725633 wrote:No but because you see one cop shoot someone and plant evidence also doesn't mean all cops do that
I know


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Apr 30, 2015 4:59pm
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Apr 30, 2015 5:21 PM
WebFire;1725638 wrote:Well, that doesn't exactly hold up in the court of law. What the article said was...
Not sure the autopsy will be conclusive. My guess it was probably a combination of factors. At a minimum, his tantrum and a "rough ride" probably provided the necessary force. And I suspect he may have already suffered fractures during the arrest.

The other question is 6 cops were involved at various points - how do you decide who should be charged with what?
Apr 30, 2015 5:21pm
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Apr 30, 2015 6:19 PM
gut;1725647 wrote:Not sure the autopsy will be conclusive. My guess it was probably a combination of factors. At a minimum, his tantrum and a "rough ride" probably provided the necessary force. And I suspect he may have already suffered fractures during the arrest.

The other question is 6 cops were involved at various points - how do you decide who should be charged with what?
Just charge the white ones.
Apr 30, 2015 6:19pm
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Apr 30, 2015 7:07 PM
Saw a clip that the mayor wont answer questions and has Al Sharpton is going to be doing his thing, race baiting and all.

that means this is going to be a bad thing when he is there
Apr 30, 2015 7:07pm
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Apr 30, 2015 9:25 PM
CNN showed the travel of the van. My question is why did they drive around the whole neighborhood before taking him to the precinct when the precinct was basically 2 blocks down the street. What should have been a 5 minute ride turned into a 45 minute one.
Apr 30, 2015 9:25pm
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Apr 30, 2015 9:54 PM
gut;1725647 wrote:Not sure the autopsy will be conclusive. My guess it was probably a combination of factors. At a minimum, his tantrum and a "rough ride" probably provided the necessary force. And I suspect he may have already suffered fractures during the arrest.

The other question is 6 cops were involved at various points - how do you decide who should be charged with what?
Even if he harmed himself, the didn't follow protocol by securing him properly (or so I've read). Also, there's the whole asking for medical help and them ignoring that. I have a feeling this just going to end well, somehow someway.
Apr 30, 2015 9:54pm
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Apr 30, 2015 9:58 PM
this will end with a police union rep, the mayor and a few lawyers in a room hammering out a deal and nobody loses a job and nobody goes to jail.
Apr 30, 2015 9:58pm
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Apr 30, 2015 10:07 PM
Spock;1725807 wrote:this will end with a police union rep, the mayor and a few lawyers in a room hammering out a deal and nobody loses a job and nobody goes to jail.
And then more (worse?) rioting.
Apr 30, 2015 10:07pm
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Apr 30, 2015 10:18 PM
bigkahuna;1725754 wrote:CNN showed the travel of the van. My question is why did they drive around the whole neighborhood before taking him to the precinct when the precinct was basically 2 blocks down the street. What should have been a 5 minute ride turned into a 45 minute one.
They picked up another prisoner. Probably why.
Apr 30, 2015 10:18pm
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Apr 30, 2015 10:21 PM
WebFire;1725801 wrote:Even if he harmed himself, the didn't follow protocol by securing him properly (or so I've read). Also, there's the whole asking for medical help and them ignoring that. I have a feeling this just going to end well, somehow someway.
It's a brand new protocol, like this April 2nd or something. So probably not negligence. As for refusing medical attention, who knows. Prisoners apparently pull that all the time, so will probably depend on how long they waited after getting back to the station.

My guess is Man 1 will be off the table, but one or more of the cops will probably face manslaughter charges. Likely be found guilty of some lesser, but still serious, charges.
Apr 30, 2015 10:21pm
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Apr 30, 2015 10:34 PM
Saw a video where former Raven LB Ray Lewis was disgusted with the rioters...Why Ray? ...weren't they stabbing enough people to death and then pinning the whole thing on one of their posse?
Apr 30, 2015 10:34pm
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Apr 30, 2015 11:43 PM
I don't think the cops did that bad actually. Look at most of the Midwest riots during the 60s, the cops fought back and they escalated into week long wars.

As for those blaming the innocent who haven't ratted the thugs out, you don't know shit


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Apr 30, 2015 11:43pm
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May 1, 2015 6:32 AM
bigkahuna;1725754 wrote:CNN showed the travel of the van. My question is why did they drive around the whole neighborhood before taking him to the precinct when the precinct was basically 2 blocks down the street. What should have been a 5 minute ride turned into a 45 minute one.
it's a method used to calm the Black arrestees down. Like driving in circles in your niegbhorhood.
May 1, 2015 6:32am
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May 1, 2015 9:29 AM
gut;1725835 wrote:They picked up another prisoner. Probably why.
Belly35;1725883 wrote:it's a method used to calm the Black arrestees down. Like driving in circles in your niegbhorhood.
I guess I understand that, but the track that they showed just baffled me. To me, it looks odd.
May 1, 2015 9:29am
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May 1, 2015 9:48 AM
BTW, now sure if this has been posted yet, but 3 WH officials for Gray's funeral, ZERO for Chris Kyle. Pretty fucking pathetic.
May 1, 2015 9:48am
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May 1, 2015 9:54 AM
gut;1725841 wrote:It's a brand new protocol, like this April 2nd or something. So probably not negligence. As for refusing medical attention, who knows. Prisoners apparently pull that all the time, so will probably depend on how long they waited after getting back to the station.
Again, though, that ain't gonna fly in court.
May 1, 2015 9:54am
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May 1, 2015 9:59 AM
like_that;1725927 wrote:BTW, now sure if this has been posted yet, but 3 WH officials for Gray's funeral, ZERO for Chris Kyle. Pretty fucking pathetic.
Would have been different if Chris Kyle were black.

Fact is, we elected a community agitator and not a president.
May 1, 2015 9:59am
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May 1, 2015 10:02 AM
WebFire;1725934 wrote:Again, though, that ain't gonna fly in court.
What do think isn't going to fly in court? Violating a policy instituted literally days before isn't going to rise to the level of gross negligence. The chief even recently admitted compliance with the new policy hasn't been that good.
May 1, 2015 10:02am
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May 1, 2015 10:03 AM
gut;1725941 wrote:What do think isn't going to fly in court? Violating a policy instituted literally days before isn't going to rise to the level of gross negligence. The chief even recently admitted compliance with the new policy hasn't been that good.
Violating a policy is violating a policy. Doesn't matter when it was implemented. If that was your argument, my argument would be that your training and awareness of department policies is broken.
May 1, 2015 10:03am
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May 1, 2015 10:23 AM
WebFire;1725942 wrote:Violating a policy is violating a policy. Doesn't matter when it was implemented. If that was your argument, my argument would be that your training and awareness of department policies is broken.
By itself it won't remotely give rise to a homicide charge, that was the point. Enough to get him fired (which would be doubtful if not for the death), but that's about it. Violating that policy simply isn't something that qualifies as gross negligence, not when they operated that way for years without people getting a severed spine.

The police chief even said they probably haven't communicated the policy as well as they could have. You're training or awareness argument doesn't create gross negligence where there is none.

Now it may add to the civil judgement against the city, but that's about it.
May 1, 2015 10:23am
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May 1, 2015 10:28 AM
WebFire;1725942 wrote:Violating a policy is violating a policy. Doesn't matter when it was implemented. If that was your argument, my argument would be that your training and awareness of department policies is broken.
Ask yourself this question: Where should more blame be placed?
Officers recieved written notice 3 day earlier on new protocol, not implemented vs over 20 criminal act breaking the long standing laws on criminal felonies.

Oh! this is not the first time riding in a police van ... stay the fuck seated.
May 1, 2015 10:28am