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Tinkertrain
Posts: 407
Jan 3, 2010 3:08pm
That christianity is the right path WITHOUT using bible versus.
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Hammerin'Hank
Posts: 151
Jan 3, 2010 3:12pm
I didn't come up with this....our founding fathers found it the right thing to do. We see it everyday on the money we exchange.
"In God We Trust".....It doesn't get any plainer than that.
"In God We Trust".....It doesn't get any plainer than that.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Jan 3, 2010 3:14pm
What does that have to do with Christianity.Hammerin'Hank wrote: We see it everyday on the money we exchange.
"In God We Trust".....It doesn't get any plainer than that.
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tmast71
Posts: 80
Jan 3, 2010 3:15pm
LOL ^^^^what he said....
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BCSbunk
Posts: 972
Jan 3, 2010 3:19pm
Appeal to authority.Hammerin'Hank wrote: I didn't come up with this....our founding fathers found it the right thing to do. We see it everyday on the money we exchange.
"In God We Trust".....It doesn't get any plainer than that.
Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S.
Person A makes claim C about subject S.
Therefore, C is true.
Not to mention it never says one thing about Christianity. Jesus is not mentioned in any of our legal founding documents. The reason many were deists and not Christians.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Jan 3, 2010 3:21pm
Why should Christians convince you? Sometimes people need to seek and find themselves.
It's not like non-Christians don't know anything about it already.
Nobody had to convince me there was a God, even though I was taken to church when I was young. (In fact, that preacher turned me away from religion almost completely) Or the way I chose to conduct my faith/spirituality. I wasn't forced or bargained with. It just happened on its own course.
Besides, these types of posts clearly are just aiming for put-downs, antagonisms, ridicule and the like.
It's not like non-Christians don't know anything about it already.
Nobody had to convince me there was a God, even though I was taken to church when I was young. (In fact, that preacher turned me away from religion almost completely) Or the way I chose to conduct my faith/spirituality. I wasn't forced or bargained with. It just happened on its own course.
Besides, these types of posts clearly are just aiming for put-downs, antagonisms, ridicule and the like.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 3, 2010 3:22pm
Do what's right for yourself.Tinkertrain wrote: That christianity is the right path WITHOUT using bible versus.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Jan 3, 2010 3:23pm
Are you a betting man?
Don't accept = going to hell
Do accept = going to heaven
Seems like all gain and no loss to me.
Don't accept = going to hell
Do accept = going to heaven
Seems like all gain and no loss to me.
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BCSbunk
Posts: 972
Jan 3, 2010 3:28pm
Good one. That is called Pascals wager.ytownfootball wrote: Are you a betting man?
Don't accept = going to hell
Do accept = going to heaven
Seems like all gain and no loss to me.
The problem is you better prepare for hell yourself because the Muslims are right and how can you take that chance? Can you really chance that the Muslims are the right way?
Better change your ways now or suffer hell for all time.
That is why Pascals wager fails
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Tinkertrain
Posts: 407
Jan 3, 2010 3:28pm
Pascals Wager eh?ytownfootball wrote: Are you a betting man?
Don't accept = going to hell
Do accept = going to heaven
Seems like all gain and no loss to me.
The flaw with Pascal's Wager is that it depends entirely on worshipping the correct god.
Apple
Posts: 2,620
Jan 3, 2010 3:29pm
The Golden Rule works for me. Sometimes the most simple of concepts are best.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Jan 3, 2010 3:31pm
Then choose your god based on averages. lol
seems like a winner
seems like a winner
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Jan 3, 2010 3:38pm
Faith and merely faith. If I am not forcing you to believe the same thing in which I believe, why must I argue my standpoint? If we live at peace, I'm ok with that.
Apple
Posts: 2,620
Jan 3, 2010 3:49pm
Why confuse living in harmony with your neighbor with a doctrine of an organized religion?
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Jan 3, 2010 3:50pm
God told me.
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Jan 3, 2010 3:56pm
I could care less if you believe. I lived the atheist life for awhile. My life is much more peaceful and enjoyable now than when I didn't believe. If I'm wrong, at least my last thoughts will be of hope and I will die happy.
Mr. 300
Posts: 3,090
Jan 3, 2010 4:04pm
It is a personal relationship you have with your creator. I can't convince anyone to have that in their life.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Jan 3, 2010 4:06pm
You believe in Jesus whether you admit it or not. What is the date today?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 3, 2010 4:08pm
Person A is a poor man living in small village in Africa who gives all his money to other people and lives the most basic of lives. He helps his friends and family toil in the fields, always treats people better than himself, and doesn't lie, cheat, steal or have sex before marriage. He has never heard of God, but lives the best possible life that he can.ytownfootball wrote: Are you a betting man?
Don't accept = going to hell
Do accept = going to heaven
Seems like all gain and no loss to me.
Person B is a Catholic priest who molests children(because really, do they do anything else?), but without a doubt believes there is a God.
Who goes to heaven?
Mr. 300
Posts: 3,090
Jan 3, 2010 4:12pm
Easy, the Catholic. God hates Africa.sleeper wrote:Person A is a poor man living in small village in Africa who gives all his money to other people and lives the most basic of lives. He helps his friends and family toil in the fields, always treats people better than himself, and doesn't lie, cheat, steal or have sex before marriage. He has never heard of God, but lives the best possible life that he can.ytownfootball wrote: Are you a betting man?
Don't accept = going to hell
Do accept = going to heaven
Seems like all gain and no loss to me.
Person B is a Catholic priest who molests children(because really, do they do anything else?), but without a doubt believes there is a God.
Who goes to heaven?
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Jan 3, 2010 4:18pm
You better be careful with posts like this sleeper, you'll blow your troll status right out the window.sleeper wrote:Person A is a poor man living in small village in Africa who gives all his money to other people and lives the most basic of lives. He helps his friends and family toil in the fields, always treats people better than himself, and doesn't lie, cheat, steal or have sex before marriage. He has never heard of God, but lives the best possible life that he can.ytownfootball wrote: Are you a betting man?
Don't accept = going to hell
Do accept = going to heaven
Seems like all gain and no loss to me.
Person B is a Catholic priest who molests children(because really, do they do anything else?), but without a doubt believes there is a God.
Who goes to heaven?
Apple
Posts: 2,620
Jan 3, 2010 4:24pm
Is it possible to go to heaven if you, 1. follow the teachings of Jesus and 2. are not be a member of an organized church?
coyotes22
Posts: 11,298
Jan 3, 2010 4:28pm
Yes.Apple wrote: Is it possible to go to heaven if you, 1. follow the teachings of Jesus and 2. are not be a member of an organized church?
Does going into your garage everyday, make you a car?
Does going into a barn everyday, make you a cow/horse?
coyotes22
Posts: 11,298
Jan 3, 2010 4:32pm
The Bible says that by faith you are saved. Not works. Simply going to church to be "saved" is a "work".Apple wrote: Is it possible to go to heaven if you, 1. follow the teachings of Jesus and 2. are not be a member of an organized church?
Ephesians 2:8-9 says:
For by grace are ye saved, through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Church is set up for Christians to be a continual work of our faith. Not a means of getting to Heaven. Just as Baptism is a step of faith. Not salvation.
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Jan 3, 2010 4:35pm
Belief alone does not get you into heaven. I am not the gatekeeper so I don't know who gets in. I just believe that if I follow my faith, I will get in.
Maybe heaven is just a place for everyone who lives a virtuous life, but Christians get into the vip section.
Maybe heaven is just a place for everyone who lives a virtuous life, but Christians get into the vip section.