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Nov 10, 2015 8:27 PM
sportswizuhrd;1762464 wrote:That was the case last week too. Not saying Florida should be ahead of Iowa but how does a win against Indiana merit a 4 spot jump? Utah also had a win over a 4-4 team in Washington and jumped up two spots, leapfrogging Florida.

Oklahoma St is undefeated but ranked behind Stanford.

I really think this committee just puts their rankings out to get people talking.
The committee doesn't just look at rankings and wins. They watch and rank based on how good they think each team is. They probably realized they were under ranking the Hawkeyes and decided to move them up.

Florida is horrible and looked horrible against vandy. I watched that whole game and they were fucking garbage.
Nov 10, 2015 8:27pm
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Nov 10, 2015 8:32 PM
Really disappointed that OSU and ND aren't matched up in round 1 of the CFP. It would not only be the biggest blow out in CFP history but also just hilarious to crush the hopes and dreams of THE overrated program with THE most delusional fan base.

For that reason, I will be putting all my mental energy into hoping Clemson loses so OSU can be #2 and ND #3. Also is Clemson the worst #1 of all time?
Nov 10, 2015 8:32pm
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Nov 10, 2015 8:33 PM
SportsAndLady;1762466 wrote:The committee doesn't just look at rankings and wins. They watch and rank based on how good they think each team is. They probably realized they were under ranking the Hawkeyes and decided to move them up.

Florida is horrible and looked horrible against vandy. I watched that whole game and they were fucking garbage.
Agreed. Florida would have 4-5 losses right now if the played in the B1G. They've beaten nobody and are terrible.
Nov 10, 2015 8:33pm
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Nov 10, 2015 8:59 PM
sportswizuhrd;1762458 wrote:IMO, if Baylor beats Oklahoma, they will jump Iowa (vs Minnesota) and Notre Dame (vs Wake Forest).
I think they only jump both if they absolutely blow out Oklahoma...by like 70. A decently contested game and they only potentially jump Iowa. And even that doesn't seem likely if Iowa beats Minnesota soundly.

You have to remember, that will be Baylor's first game against a top 25 team all year. Out of the teams they beat, none of them have winning records. I think it will take more than a win over Oklahoma to jump two spots into the top 4 for Baylor.
Nov 10, 2015 8:59pm
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Nov 10, 2015 9:46 PM
sleeper;1762469 wrote:Also is Clemson the worst #1 of all time?
All time? Like including 1984? Come to think about it 1990 was pretty weak also.
Nov 10, 2015 9:46pm
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Nov 10, 2015 9:49 PM
Well if it does not change, with ND being #4, you think that both Iowa and Baylor/OkSt both can't control their own destiny.
Nov 10, 2015 9:49pm
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Nov 10, 2015 9:52 PM
sportswizuhrd;1762458 wrote:Last week Iowa at 9 and Florida 10.

Iowa beats 4-4 Indiana 35-27.
Florida beats 3-5 Vanderbilt 9-7.

Iowa jumps 4 spots to #5 and Florida falls 1 spot to #11.

Were they trying to correct a mistake from last week? Did they feel like Iowa should have been higher to begin with?

IMO, if Baylor beats Oklahoma, they will jump Iowa (vs Minnesota) and Notre Dame (vs Wake Forest).
Northwestern keeps winning, which is helping Iowa's case, same with Wisconsin. Both Wisky and NU are ranked now.

Where as FLA's best win...Ole Miss?...Is a dumpster fire. And they've beaten 0 teams currently ranked.
Nov 10, 2015 9:52pm
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Nov 10, 2015 10:03 PM
HighRoller74;1762484 wrote:Northwestern keeps winning, which is helping Iowa's case, same with Wisconsin. Both Wisky and NU are ranked now.

Where as FLA's best win...Ole Miss?...Is a dumpster fire. And they've beaten 0 teams currently ranked.
The same number of teams that OSU has beaten. Only difference is that Florida had to play LSU (cue Sleeper saying Florida would be winless in the Big Ten)

And the difference between the current teams of OSU and Iowa, is.......last season?
Nov 10, 2015 10:03pm
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Nov 10, 2015 10:09 PM
sportswizuhrd;1762465 wrote:Losing at home to Minnesota and/or at Nebraska?

Win for Nebraska would make them bowl eligible...
Either of those, with Nebraska being more likely.
Nov 10, 2015 10:09pm
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Nov 10, 2015 10:23 PM
sportswizuhrd;1762488 wrote:The same number of teams that OSU has beaten. Only difference is that Florida had to play LSU (cue Sleeper saying Florida would be winless in the Big Ten)

And the difference between the current teams of OSU and Iowa, is.......last season?
Pretty Much....perks of being defending champion I guess lol.
Nov 10, 2015 10:23pm
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Nov 10, 2015 11:21 PM
sportswizuhrd;1762488 wrote:The same number of teams that OSU has beaten. Only difference is that Florida had to play LSU (cue Sleeper saying Florida would be winless in the Big Ten)

And the difference between the current teams of OSU and Iowa, is.......last season?
Eye test.

Again, you're making this a BCS debate. The BCS is over. The paper rankings that SEC teams benefitted from is out the door. If there was a BCS system, OSU wouldn't have gotten into the "final four" last year. And you saw how wrong that would have been.
Nov 10, 2015 11:21pm
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Nov 10, 2015 11:42 PM
SportsAndLady;1762502 wrote:Eye test.

Again, you're making this a BCS debate. The BCS is over. The paper rankings that SEC teams benefitted from is out the door. If there was a BCS system, OSU wouldn't have gotten into the "final four" last year. And you saw how wrong that would have been.
This is what I would be wanting if I was making it a BCS debate....

Nov 10, 2015 11:42pm
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Nov 10, 2015 11:48 PM
sportswizuhrd;1762508 wrote:This is what I would be wanting if I was making it a BCS debate....

Not really sure what that proves other than my point.

A lot of those rankings differ, but I'd take the committee's rankings over the BCS, and that's coming from an OSU fan who's team is undefeated and defending champs, yet is behind a 1 loss team.
Nov 10, 2015 11:48pm
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Nov 11, 2015 12:33 AM
The reality is the committee's rankings are irrelevant until the final week. We saw that last year and we will see it this year.

The other reality is the committee got it right last year. I assume they will get it right this year.
Nov 11, 2015 12:33am
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Nov 11, 2015 9:01 AM
I like how someone said last night that the committee is taking a wait and see approach with the BigXII

If Oklahoma State or Baylor run the table and end up 12-0, we will see them jump into that 4th spot ahead of ND barring everything else is status quo. It'd be hard to leave out an undeated Big 5 and let a 1 loss someone be in.
Nov 11, 2015 9:01am
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Nov 11, 2015 9:40 AM
bigkahuna;1762535 wrote:I like how someone said last night that the committee is taking a wait and see approach with the BigXII

If Oklahoma State or Baylor run the table and end up 12-0, we will see them jump into that 4th spot ahead of ND barring everything else is status quo. It'd be hard to leave out an undeated Big 5 and let a 1 loss someone be in.
I agree with this. If the Big 12 champ is undefeated, they are in. But if the champ (or I guess co-champ) has 1-loss, the Big 12 is on the outside looking in again.
Nov 11, 2015 9:40am
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Nov 11, 2015 10:08 AM
At least we all know, the committee hates the big 12 lol


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Nov 11, 2015 10:37 AM
I actually agree with Sleeper that the rankings are meaningless. The committee will manipulate the rankings the last week to who they want to see in the playoff. They aren't held accountable to their logic of "they ranked team A ahead of team B for 6 weeks, and all of the sudden, without merit, team B leaped team A for a playoff spot." It could happen, like it did last year. This is the beauty and the curse of a subjective system that doesn't have a statistical formula or component. It's completely subjective.

So yes, perception matters. Name recognition (Alabama/Notre Dame) matters. Being defending champ (OSU) matters. Being screwed last year (Baylor) matters.

The only controversy is going to come if there are no major shake ups in the last week, like last year...and you have 1-loss teams like Notre Dame and Alabama, who are going to be comfortably in the final 4 rankings until they lose, get potentially bumped if an Iowa or Oklahoma State wins out.
Nov 11, 2015 10:37am
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Nov 11, 2015 4:43 PM
Crimson streak;1762547 wrote:At least we all know, the committee hates the big 12 lol


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That at might change since the B12 backloaded the schedule to get late season hype.
Nov 11, 2015 4:43pm
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Nov 11, 2015 11:16 PM
Eh. Klatt is Klatt. Butt check out his Wiki photo for the lolz
Nov 11, 2015 11:16pm
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Nov 11, 2015 11:19 PM
Unless you watch it (not saying you did or didnt Gerb), you won't see that he uses facts backed up by up numbers and then stats and not his opinion, to make his two conspiracy theory points.
Nov 11, 2015 11:19pm
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Nov 11, 2015 11:19 PM
gerb131;1762659 wrote:Eh. Klatt is Klatt. Butt check out his Wiki photo for the lolz
Just did, lol. Nice pun too.
Nov 11, 2015 11:19pm
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Nov 11, 2015 11:37 PM
sportswizuhrd;1762660 wrote:Unless you watch it (not saying you did or didnt Gerb), you won't see that he uses facts backed up by up numbers and then stats and not his opinion, to make his two conspiracy theory points.
I did. Interesting. Hard to believe osborne and alvarez have that much pull
Nov 11, 2015 11:37pm
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Nov 12, 2015 2:42 AM
I don't give a shit how many points per possession they gave up. They gave up 663 yards of offense and that is not good.

I do think OSU is getting the benefit of the doubt from being defending champs with a bunch of returning starters and also being undefeated so far this year. I have no explanation for bama. Frankly I'm a little annoyed they are grouping the sec with the B1G.
Nov 12, 2015 2:42am