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isadore

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Jan 10, 2015 9:38 PM
Con_Alma;1694846 wrote:Is it any less selfish for the "have nots" to want such subsidies?
gosh a ruddies the perfect excuse for the haves to continuously deny aid to those in need. The perfect excuse for selfishness. Those in need are just being so selfish hoping for aid from those that have the resources.
Jan 10, 2015 9:38pm
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isadore

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Jan 10, 2015 9:43 PM
Cleveland Buck;1694843 wrote:So why don't know want to give some poor American social mobility? Are you too selfish and greedy to write a check?
you are so unwilling to grant the true resources needed to provide those in need the basics for social mobility. Support higher taxes to help those in need.
Jan 10, 2015 9:43pm
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Jan 10, 2015 9:49 PM
isadore;1694850 wrote:you are so unwilling to grant the true resources needed to provide those in need the basics for social mobility. Support higher taxes to help those in need.
I am more than willing to grant them your money. Now write the check unless you are too selfish and greedy to do it.
Jan 10, 2015 9:49pm
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Jan 10, 2015 9:54 PM
Cleveland Buck;1694856 wrote:I am more than willing to grant them your money. Now write the check unless you are too selfish and greedy to do it.
gosh a ruddies I support the education of the needy and now to truly do something worthwhile you must support a raise in taxes on the upper quintiles to provide funds for social mobility of the needy.
Jan 10, 2015 9:54pm
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Jan 10, 2015 10:03 PM
Con_Alma;1694829 wrote:I know exactly what the expenses of college are today. I have one there and one on the way.

Would your debt have been lower if you stayed another year at Community College?

Do you think everyone should be given 2 free years even if they are able to pay?
1- Yes
2- I dont even know if I think you should be given any years for free if you are able to pay, let alone two. What is your definition of "able to pay"? Out of pocket or having to take out loans?
Jan 10, 2015 10:03pm
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Jan 10, 2015 10:25 PM
isadore;1694844 wrote:no, it makes things better for the haves, but not the have nots.
which of course is not a problem for you.
Sorry, the "can't afford college" excuse is literally for stupid people. The ability to obtain affordable loans for college has been available for a long, long time.
Jan 10, 2015 10:25pm
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gut

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Jan 10, 2015 10:27 PM
isadore;1694850 wrote:you are so unwilling to grant the true resources needed to provide those in need the basics for social mobility. Support higher taxes to help those in need.
A college degree doesn't offer the stupid social mobility. And college is only unaffordable if you're stupid.
Jan 10, 2015 10:27pm
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isadore

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Jan 10, 2015 11:01 PM
gut;1694864 wrote:Sorry, the "can't afford college" excuse is literally for stupid people. The ability to obtain affordable loans for college has been available for a long, long time.
No it is not. It is unavailable to millions in the lower quintiles.
Jan 10, 2015 11:01pm
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isadore

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Jan 10, 2015 11:02 PM
gut;1694865 wrote:A college degree doesn't offer the stupid social mobility. And college is only unaffordable if you're stupid.
NO it is unaffordable if you lack the economic resources. But of course to you, it is just "let them eat cake."
Jan 10, 2015 11:02pm
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Jan 10, 2015 11:19 PM
isadore;1694872 wrote:NO it is unaffordable if you lack the economic resources. But of course to you, it is just "let them eat cake."
Even stupid people can get 10's of thousands of dollars in totally free money.

So college is only unaffordable if you're stupid AND ignorant. Actually, college is more affordable for the poor than it is the middle class.
Jan 10, 2015 11:19pm
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isadore

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Jan 10, 2015 11:25 PM
gut;1694873 wrote:Even stupid people can get 10's of thousands of dollars in totally free money.

So college is only unaffordable if you're stupid AND ignorant. Actually, college is more affordable for the poor than it is the middle class.
according to you, from the "let them eat cake." school. Well gosh a ruddies let's give the middle class a break and have free college. No it might cost you a few bucks.
Jan 10, 2015 11:25pm
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Jan 10, 2015 11:32 PM
isadore;1694874 wrote:according to you, from the "let them eat cake." school. Well gosh a ruddies let's give the middle class a break and have free college. No it might cost you a few bucks.
yawn....your spiel is simply tired and ignorant. Nobody needs MORE free money to be able to afford college. "I can't afford college" is just an excuse for people who are too stupid to get a degree.
Jan 10, 2015 11:32pm
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Jan 10, 2015 11:36 PM
gut;1694875 wrote:yawn....your spiel is simply tired and ignorant. Nobody needs MORE free money to be able to afford college. "I can't afford college" is just an excuse for people who are too stupid to get a degree.
gosh a ruddies of course you have no problem denying those worthy young people from the lower quintiles a chance to rise. It is not you or yours, so screw'em.
Jan 10, 2015 11:36pm
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Jan 11, 2015 1:16 AM
isadore;1694876 wrote:gosh a ruddies of course you have no problem denying those worthy young people from the lower quintiles a chance to rise. It is not you or yours, so screw'em.
No. I have no problem with the stupid & lazy being on the bottom of the economic ladder. That's how it SHOULD work.
Jan 11, 2015 1:16am
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Jan 11, 2015 7:20 AM
isadore;1694848 wrote:gosh a ruddies the perfect excuse for the haves to continuously deny aid to those in need. The perfect excuse for selfishness. Those in need are just being so selfish hoping for aid from those that have the resources.
I appreciate your comments but that didn't answer my question I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Jan 11, 2015 7:20am
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Con_Alma

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Jan 11, 2015 7:23 AM
Pick6;1694861 wrote:...
2- I dont even know if I think you should be given any years for free if you are able to pay, let alone two. What is your definition of "able to pay"? Out of pocket or having to take out loans?
I agree with you and that's my disappointment with this whole proposal.

I don't have a definition of "able to pay". I know those people certainly exist in the use of "everyone" by the President.
Jan 11, 2015 7:23am
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Jan 11, 2015 7:24 AM
isadore;1694876 wrote:gosh a ruddies of course you have no problem denying those worthy young people from the lower quintiles a chance to rise. It is not you or yours, so screw'em.
you do understand that with out the stupid and uneducated Union enrollment would drop, Democatics voting base would decrease....
Jan 11, 2015 7:24am
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isadore

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Jan 11, 2015 8:28 AM
Con_Alma;1694846 wrote:Is it any less selfish for the "have nots" to want such subsidies?
the perfect argument for the greedy and selfish never to help anyone less fortunate.
Jan 11, 2015 8:28am
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Jan 11, 2015 8:35 AM
Always uplifting to see #isaderp grace a thread with his presence.
Jan 11, 2015 8:35am
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isadore

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Jan 11, 2015 8:38 AM
gut;1694884 wrote:No. I have no problem with the stupid & lazy being on the bottom of the economic ladder. That's how it SHOULD work.
gosh a ruddies you equate being without resources in a society with declining social mobility equals being stupid and lazy. So bigoted against those without the economic advantages you have. Definitely "Let them eat cake." view of the world,
Jan 11, 2015 8:38am
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isadore

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Jan 11, 2015 8:40 AM
Belly35;1694895 wrote:you do understand that with out the stupid and uneducated Union enrollment would drop, Democatics voting base would decrease....
Gosh a ruddies we have another member of the "I got mine, screw you," school.
Jan 11, 2015 8:40am
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gut

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Jan 11, 2015 9:22 AM
isadore;1694900 wrote:gosh a ruddies you equate being without resources in a society with declining social mobility equals being stupid and lazy.
No..LITERALLY only the stupid and lazy can't get money for college. Over $60k in free money already available, and nearly another $30k in subsidized federal loans (5% interest rate). And that's before financial aid, scholarships and any other money.
Jan 11, 2015 9:22am
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Jan 11, 2015 9:24 AM
I am in full favor of this. It allows easy access to the type of education and training that can reduce government expenses down the road and allow students to start out their career with less student debt.
Jan 11, 2015 9:24am
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Jan 11, 2015 9:56 AM
gut;1694875 wrote:"I can't afford college" is just an excuse for people who are too lazy to get a degree.



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Jan 11, 2015 9:56am
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isadore

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Jan 11, 2015 11:11 AM
gut;1694907 wrote:No..LITERALLY only the stupid and lazy can't get money for college. Over $60k in free money already available, and nearly another $30k in subsidized federal loans (5% interest rate). And that's before financial aid, scholarships and any other money.
gosh a ruddies there are millions who are not stupid or lazy but who are frozen in the bottom income and wealth quintiles because of lack of economic resources. Free community college will give them an increased chance of upward mobility in a society that increasingly denying a real chance to better oneself.
Jan 11, 2015 11:11am