Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Nov 19, 2014 7:56pm
It's probably been said but even if msu beats Ole miss. If the teams in front of them don't lose, they could get jumped by osu. Because osu could potentially be a one loss conference champ. Whereas miss st won't even be playing in the title game. Same thing with tcu and Baylor. Them not having a title game keeps them from potentially another top 10 win.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 19, 2014 8:35pm
Was it Nebraska that was up to #11, didn't play that week and fell to #16 the next week? The way they were pounded surprised me they stayed in the top 25.Pick6;1676159 wrote:Wouldnt be shocked at all. Nebraska is far and away the biggest farce in the top 25.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Nov 19, 2014 8:36pm
Yes. But think they were 13 and fell to 16.Ironman92;1676168 wrote:Was it Nebraska that was up to #11, didn't play that week and fell to #16 the next week? The way they were pounded surprised me they stayed in the top 25.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 19, 2014 8:45pm
Thanks, was thinking #11Midstate01;1676170 wrote:Yes. But think they were 13 and fell to 16.
Was USC ranked last week? Beat Cal by 8 and jump to 19?
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Nov 19, 2014 8:52pm
Unranked. Know they have some close losses. Not sure what warranted a big jump.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 19, 2014 8:53pm
I still think Ole Miss has a chance.
Auburn win at Bama
Ole miss win vs Miss St
Ole Miss win SEC Championship
Ohio St loses to Wisconsin in B1G Championship
TCU and Baylor are the catches....if they lose then it's easily Ole Miss but if Kansas St wins at Baylor.....I think Ole Miss could pass TCU
Auburn win at Bama
Ole miss win vs Miss St
Ole Miss win SEC Championship
Ohio St loses to Wisconsin in B1G Championship
TCU and Baylor are the catches....if they lose then it's easily Ole Miss but if Kansas St wins at Baylor.....I think Ole Miss could pass TCU
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Nov 19, 2014 9:41pm
Trevor Matich giving Bucks mad love. Has them at #3
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Nov 20, 2014 12:43am
Does anyone else wonder if the recent discussions of SEC bias by ESPN is playing a role in ESPN's sudden love of the Buckeyes? It just seems since Fowler's diatribe on Game Day and subsequent articles showing the bias, they have changed their tune about other teams.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Nov 20, 2014 7:15am
Either that or the SEC is proving to not be the juggernaut it was the last few years.
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ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Nov 20, 2014 8:14am
It's still there. On "CFB Today," or whatever the hell it's called, the guy opposite him was nut hugging the SEC BAAAAD, saying that they deserved 2 teams in the CFB playoffs, if MSU wins out and Bama wins the conference championship game. Matich then stated, (paraphrase) "How can MSU make it to the playoff when they didn't even make it to their conference champ. game. They were 2nd in their DIVISION."se-alum;1676220 wrote:Does anyone else wonder if the recent discussions of SEC bias by ESPN is playing a role in ESPN's sudden love of the Buckeyes? It just seems since Fowler's diatribe on Game Day and subsequent articles showing the bias, they have changed their tune about other teams.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Nov 20, 2014 8:15am
"The who would you not want to play today?" factor is growing stronger. There are 6 people on the committee that coached football in some capacity in their careers and understand this is a legit question to be asking at the end of the season. My % of accuracy they are not getting in is now at 82%. (stick it up your ass S&L)
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 20, 2014 8:42am
Auburn?Pick6;1676159 wrote:Wouldnt be shocked at all. Nebraska is far and away the biggest farce in the top 25.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Nov 20, 2014 8:50am
Auburn has wins against Kansas State and Ole Miss. Nebraska has wins against uhh? Wiscy is probably the only team behind them I think should be ahead.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 20, 2014 9:14am
KSU played no one beat no one. Ole Miss beat Alabama and no one else. The only difference is Nebraska doesn't get the opportunity to play against multiple ranked teams because their schedule isn't given favorable pre-season rankings. For example, Nebraska would win the SEC East.Rotinaj;1676243 wrote:Auburn has wins against Kansas State and Ole Miss. Nebraska has wins against uhh? Wiscy is probably the only team behind them I think should be ahead.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Nov 20, 2014 9:21am
They've played against 2 ranked teams and lost both. They're also going to lose to a 3rd ranked team this weekend.sleeper;1676250 wrote:KSU played no one beat no one. Ole Miss beat Alabama and no one else. The only difference is Nebraska doesn't get the opportunity to play against multiple ranked teams because their schedule isn't given favorable pre-season rankings. For example, Nebraska would win the SEC East.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 20, 2014 11:15am
B1G just beats up on each other. Tough conference.Rotinaj;1676251 wrote:They've played against 2 ranked teams and lost both. They're also going to lose to a 3rd ranked team this weekend.
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Nov 20, 2014 11:24am
To sum this thread up. No one has beaten anyone good. If you beat a ranked team it is because that ranked team sucks and hasn't beaten a good team.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 20, 2014 12:05pm
Unless you are in the SEC. The reality is, B1G teams drop 15 spots when they lose early, SEC teams drop 3 spots and the team that beat them is now a top 10 team. There's no way to actually beat anyone good unless you are in the SEC. Remember when South Carolina was a top 5 team? Remember when A&M was a top 5 team?pmoney25;1676272 wrote:To sum this thread up. No one has beaten anyone good. If you beat a ranked team it is because that ranked team sucks and hasn't beaten a good team.
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Nov 20, 2014 12:15pm
As much as Sleeper trolls there is definitely truth to this.sleeper;1676283 wrote:Unless you are in the SEC. The reality is, B1G teams drop 15 spots when they lose early, SEC teams drop 3 spots and the team that beat them is now a top 10 team. There's no way to actually beat anyone good unless you are in the SEC. Remember when South Carolina was a top 5 team? Remember when A&M was a top 5 team?
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Nov 20, 2014 1:03pm
Spot on.sleeper;1676283 wrote:Unless you are in the SEC. The reality is, B1G teams drop 15 spots when they lose early, SEC teams drop 3 spots and the team that beat them is now a top 10 team. There's no way to actually beat anyone good unless you are in the SEC. Remember when South Carolina was a top 5 team? Remember when A&M was a top 5 team?
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Nov 20, 2014 2:26pm
Do you think titles won or amount of players drafted into the NFL has anything to do with the supposed SEC bias?
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Nov 20, 2014 2:57pm
Kudos to the SEC. But those titles and NFL players have very little to do with this year, whats going on now. SEC deserves all the accolades it gets. But this is not the SEC of past years. Teams like Auburn, LSU, SC, A&M and even the top teams are not what they have been in past years. They are getting a bit too much credit from the PAST. That is the reality of it.pmoney25;1676323 wrote:Do you think titles won or amount of players drafted into the NFL has anything to do with the supposed SEC bias?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 20, 2014 3:04pm
I think the former has a little to do with it but the big swing is the when the ESPN teamed up with the SEC for the SEC Network unlike the Pac-12, B1G who have their own competing networks. ESPN pimping its own conference makes them more money which in turn influences the majority of casual CFB fans into thinking the SEC is the best conference. This trickles into public perception and yada yada.pmoney25;1676323 wrote:Do you think titles won or amount of players drafted into the NFL has anything to do with the supposed SEC bias?
It'll never change unless the B1G wins a few championships in a row, with a few of them not being Ohio State. This is of course unlikely to happen as team ESPN wants 2 or more SEC teams in every year, making it much easier for this alleged super conference to maintain dominance. Remember 2011 when LSU played Bama in the title game; hard to beat the best when the best has been crowned the SEC for no reason.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Nov 20, 2014 3:12pm
Their history is def a point of reference. Because of the vast landscape of college football there just isnt enough head to head matchups to truly compare teams. If you are 10-1 from Conference A who hasnt been particularly good and 10-1 from Conference B who has won quite a bit that will factor into how the voters think. I def believe that factors into it. I know it is only the HS level, but I see it first hand locally that 9-1 or 8-2 in one conference can be better than 10-0 in another.sleeper;1676333 wrote:I think the former has a little to do with it but the big swing is the when the ESPN teamed up with the SEC for the SEC Network unlike the Pac-12, B1G who have their own competing networks. ESPN pimping its own conference makes them more money which in turn influences the majority of casual CFB fans into thinking the SEC is the best conference. This trickles into public perception and yada yada.
It'll never change unless the B1G wins a few championships in a row, with a few of them not being Ohio State. This is of course unlikely to happen as team ESPN wants 2 or more SEC teams in every year, making it much easier for this alleged super conference to maintain dominance. Remember 2011 when LSU played Bama in the title game; hard to beat the best when the best has been crowned the SEC for no reason.
I still think though that the Big Ten champion, with just one loss, will make it into the final 4 practically every year. It will take a couple of undefeated teams from good conferences and maybe some one loss teams against a great team (and a Big Ten loss against a shitty team) to keep them out.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 20, 2014 3:46pm
Of course a team with 1 loss can be better than an undefeated team. This isn't a debate worth having. The issue is we only have 4 teams eligible to compete in the playoff so we have to rely on simple built in filters like being the best team in your own conference. If SEC fans don't like it, I'll gladly take the entire SEC East and 5 of the 7 teams in the SEC West in the B1G and they can learn quickly they aren't that great and deserve nothing.thavoice;1676335 wrote:Their history is def a point of reference. Because of the vast landscape of college football there just isnt enough head to head matchups to truly compare teams. If you are 10-1 from Conference A who hasnt been particularly good and 10-1 from Conference B who has won quite a bit that will factor into how the voters think. I def believe that factors into it. I know it is only the HS level, but I see it first hand locally that 9-1 or 8-2 in one conference can be better than 10-0 in another.
I still think though that the Big Ten champion, with just one loss, will make it into the final 4 practically every year. It will take a couple of undefeated teams from good conferences and maybe some one loss teams against a great team (and a Big Ten loss against a shitty team) to keep them out.