I wouldn't either but it seems that others do.

Why are we still talking about Navy? We blew them out almost 2 weeks ago; time to move on.

My fear is now we really won't get any work this week and prolly win by something like 45 - 14 and everyone will be feeling warm & fuzzy again and then Cinci will come in here and kick ass.

Tiernan;1652643 wrote:My fear is now we really won't get any work this week and prolly win by something like 45 - 14 and everyone will be feeling warm & fuzzy again and then Cinci will come in here and kick ass.

It'll be a cold day in hell before we ever lose to Cinci.

Automatik;1652097 wrote:Fuck, if we lose to Cincy I will lose my damn mind. That can't happen.


My patience with Meyer is growing thin. No I don't want to send him packing, but WTF?! I don't mind losing, but just terrible play all around is unacceptable. He's getting the recruits. FUCKING COACH THEM.

This is one reason I don't come on here much anymore. As soon as a loss occurs, the sky is falling. Do you realize that this was Meyer/OSU FIRST, yes, FIRST regular season loss in over 2yrs? Yes, I didn't like much of what happened last Sat either. But its a LONG season. Reality is, OSU is a young team who lost their best player, a difference maker. Meyer, good or bad, as set expectations to be unrealistic with many fans. Its never as easy as it looks for us. Seriously people, get a grip.

I'm assuming you didn't read any of the previous posts? Go back and give it a go.

I don't care if that was his first regular season loss. I'm not ok with losing in that fashion, and if you are...that's fine. Opinions, we all have them.

centralbucksfan;1652742 wrote:This is one reason I don't come on here much anymore. As soon as a loss occurs, the sky is falling. Do you realize that this was Meyer/OSU FIRST, yes, FIRST regular season loss in over 2yrs? Yes, I didn't like much of what happened last Sat either. But its a LONG season. Reality is, OSU is a young team who lost their best player, a difference maker. Meyer, good or bad, as set expectations to be unrealistic with many fans. Its never as easy as it looks for us. Seriously people, get a grip.

You make a valid point, but a valid counter-point would be... who have we played in the regular season the last two seasons that warrants consideration?

2012
Out-of-conference games included: Miami (OH), UCF, Cal, & UAB. "Tough" match-ups included: @ #20 MSU, #21 Nebraska, #20 Michigan.

2013
Out-of-conference games included: Buffalo, SDSU, @ Cal, Florida A&M. "Tough" match-ups included: vs #23 Wisconsin, @ #16 Northwestern (look at NU this season), @ Michigan.

So... to be fair... exactly how many TOUGH games were really won over that stretch? We didn't bring Meyer in to win #20-25 ranked teams/games (almost any coach at Ohio State could achieve that). We brought Meyer in to beat top tier teams (#8 Clemson, #10 MSU) and we're not. Va Tech didn't do anything complex. They played press coverage and blitzed all night long, and yet Meyer & Herman made FEW adjustments.

Again, I'm not calling for Meyer's head (I think that's more than absurd), but to say that Meyer doesn't deserve some heat is sticking your head in the sand.

I agree it's too soon to be calling for his head but it's not too soon to be questioning whether he's the football genius his publicist & ESPN bill him as. My suspicion so far from some very tell - tale mistakes to date is that Urbie is a very average CFB coach.

sleeper;1652647 wrote:It'll be a cold day in hell before we ever lose to Cinci.

You're like clockwork. This time last week you predicted....

sleeper;1649864 wrote:Do you really think VA Tech has a snow cones chance in hell of keeping it close in one of the toughest environments in the country?

Scarlet_Buckeye;1652752 wrote:Again, I'm not calling for Meyer's head (I think that's more than absurd), but to say that Meyer doesn't deserve some heat is sticking your head in the sand.

correct

sleeper;1652647 wrote:It'll be a cold day in hell before we ever lose to Cinci.

You're like clockwork. This time last week you predicted....

sleeper;1649864 wrote:Do you really think VA Tech has a snow cones chance in hell of keeping it close in one of the toughest environments in the country?

believer;1652862 wrote:You're like clockwork. This time last week you predicted....

It's Cinci. Cinci.

Scarlet_Buckeye;1652752 wrote:You make a valid point, but a valid counter-point would be... who have we played in the regular season the last two seasons that warrants consideration?

2012
Out-of-conference games included: Miami (OH), UCF, Cal, & UAB. "Tough" match-ups included: @ #20 MSU, #21 Nebraska, #20 Michigan.

2013
Out-of-conference games included: Buffalo, SDSU, @ Cal, Florida A&M. "Tough" match-ups included: vs #23 Wisconsin, @ #16 Northwestern (look at NU this season), @ Michigan.

So... to be fair... exactly how many TOUGH games were really won over that stretch? We didn't bring Meyer in to win #20-25 ranked teams/games (almost any coach at Ohio State could achieve that). We brought Meyer in to beat top tier teams (#8 Clemson, #10 MSU) and we're not. Va Tech didn't do anything complex. They played press coverage and blitzed all night long, and yet Meyer & Herman made FEW adjustments.

Again, I'm not calling for Meyer's head (I think that's more than absurd), but to say that Meyer doesn't deserve some heat is sticking your head in the sand.

Don't disagree to an extent. But if it were that easy, other teams from many other conferences would be going undefeated as well. Certainly not great competition, but to NOT slip up in the regular season, when everyone is giving you their best shot, is in fact, NOT that easy of a task. Even with that above schedule. Add in a shitty defense for two years as well. Anyone who has played a sport, or coached, certainly knows this.

Automatik;1652743 wrote:I'm assuming you didn't read any of the previous posts? Go back and give it a go.

I don't care if that was his first regular season loss. I'm not ok with losing in that fashion, and if you are...that's fine. Opinions, we all have them.

Didn't say it was ok. I don't like losing either, at all. But again, this is a young team who lost one of the best players in the country. And although VaTech isn't great, they are a pretty good team with a very good coach. OSU went into this game with a NEW offensive line as well as a QB who has played 1 game in the past 3yrs. And no game vs the caliber of team/coaching that he did. That is the reality of the situation.
This is what Miller did that many people never realized or appreciated, he literally bailed this team out many times the past two years. He made something out of nothing. He was/is a game changer. Obviously, that is not there now. This team will need to learn to win a different way and not depend on someone. And that is not an easy task. It has to start with the defense. But the offense has to give the defense something as well.
I expect them to get better and better. If not, then the criticism of Meyer is valid. But a young team, a very inexperienced QB...it takes time. That is the reality of it.

The reality is unfortunately we are a "better than average" program right now that can win 8 - 10 games pretty much standing on our heads (but) we haven't been an "elite" team for awhile now. We are no longer in the same conversation with Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, FL St and OR. Like it or not we are in that second tier of programs lumped in with GA, A&M, USC, TX, FL, ND, MSU, Stan and maybe a couple others that annually year in & year out play in the higher level bowl games. But what I'm concerned about is if we are honest with ourselves (not Sleeper delusional) we are probably at the lower end of that second tier and have been winning with smoke & mirrors for a few years now.

Tiernan;1652949 wrote:The reality is unfortunately we are a "better than average" program right now that can win 8 - 10 games pretty much standing on our heads (but) we haven't been an "elite" team for awhile now. We are no longer in the same conversation with Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, FL St and OR. Like it or not we are in that second tier of programs lumped in with GA, A&M, USC, TX, FL, ND, MSU, Stan and maybe a couple others that annually year in & year out play in the higher level bowl games. But what I'm concerned about is if we are honest with ourselves (not Sleeper delusional) we are probably at the lower end of that second tier and have been winning with smoke & mirrors for a few years now.

You can't be serious when mentioning the likes of Okl, LSU and Oregon? Those teams lose a game like VaTech every year. Yes, Bama is Bama and without question the best program in the country. Agree with them. Again, if Miller was behind center, we wouldn't even be talking about this. OSU/Meyer has the talent in house, I believe. Its young. If I don't see improvement, then I can be critical. IMO, if Miller were behind center, OSU would be in the discussion for playoff. And I believe with all that is going to return next year, and "IF" Miller returns, OSU will again be right there. Excuse or not, it is what it is.

OSU is still a top 5 program, year in year out. It's not even a debate. Oregon? Has never won anything. Oklahoma? More BCS losses than ND. LSU? Flash in the plan, what they have done in the past 5 years?

Oh and FSU? They win one championship every 15 years and now they are a top 5 program? FSU sucks.

You dipsticks bury your heads in the sand along the banks of the river De'Nile all you want but anybody that really knows CFB (and I'm one) will tell you OSU has been living on "history" for a few years now and all of a sudden teams like VT are not intimidated anymore. Miller would have lost that game just like Barrett did b/c it wasn't his fault to begin with. And cry all you want but LSU & OR are part of a new order in CFB and OK has been there a long time. I really should start a weekly tutorial to bring the rest of you up to my level.

The B1G is not only down now, but imo I don't see it coming back anytime soon, if ever. I know things are cyclical, but with the warmer climate and brand of football that attract recruits able to be played because of it, I just don't see kids coming North a whole lot moving forward. Again, jmo.

sleeper;1652976 wrote:OSU is still a top 5 program

Sure doesn't look to be the case this year.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1653041 wrote:Sure doesn't look to be the case this year.

PROGRAM. Not team. PROGRAM.

ernest_t_bass;1653044 wrote:PROGRAM. Not team. PROGRAM.

Right now, I'm just amazed that in 2014, there still is someone taking Sleeper's over-the-top act literally and is willing to waste time debating it and regularly attempting to counter it.

PROTIP: Over-the-top acts don't care. They just keep going.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1653041 wrote:Sure doesn't look to be the case this year.

I didn't stutter. Top 5.

ernest_t_bass;1653044 wrote:PROGRAM. Not team. PROGRAM.

That's my point and it kills me but the rest of the country doesn't consider us a Top 5 program anymore. We have alot of history and alot of media attention (mostly as a result of bad shit) but we've been running on fumes since 2002. That's 12 years ago people and we've lost the "real" swagger...oh we seem to have plenty of false swagger but nothing to back it up. We are dangerously close to becoming another Notre Dame a team with a rich heritage but little else. I'm just not sure Urbie is the coach we were all sold he was and 8 or 9 wins is probably it for 2014. And the rest of the country will say "So What?"