Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Aug 31, 2014 8:56pm
Not as clear cut for sure with a pitcher that must be considered.
Mine
1. Giancarlo Stanton
2. Clayton Kershaw
3. Jonathan Lucroy
4. Justin Upton (trending up)
5. Yasiel Puig (trending down)
6. Carlos Gomez
7. Andrew McCutchen (trending down)
8. Adrian Gonzalez (trending up)
9. Josh Harrison (trending up)
10. Anthony Rizzo
A lot of banged up guys Puig, Gomez, Cutch all well less than 100%...as is Rizzo. Tulo and Goldschmidt out.
Freddie Freeman, Jayson Werth, Anthony Rendon all could make big runs.
Mine
1. Giancarlo Stanton
2. Clayton Kershaw
3. Jonathan Lucroy
4. Justin Upton (trending up)
5. Yasiel Puig (trending down)
6. Carlos Gomez
7. Andrew McCutchen (trending down)
8. Adrian Gonzalez (trending up)
9. Josh Harrison (trending up)
10. Anthony Rizzo
A lot of banged up guys Puig, Gomez, Cutch all well less than 100%...as is Rizzo. Tulo and Goldschmidt out.
Freddie Freeman, Jayson Werth, Anthony Rendon all could make big runs.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Aug 31, 2014 9:07pm
Im going with Clayton Kershaw.
If JV can win it over Miggy, Kershaw HAS to win it over Stanton, imo.
But, imo, no one else is even close.
If JV can win it over Miggy, Kershaw HAS to win it over Stanton, imo.
But, imo, no one else is even close.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Aug 31, 2014 9:21pm
I think if Stanton falls off the last month and Kershaw stays as is....Kershaw will take it.Laley23;1649527 wrote:Im going with Clayton Kershaw.
If JV can win it over Miggy, Kershaw HAS to win it over Stanton, imo.
But, imo, no one else is even close.
But if Puig or Gonzalez finish big it will take away votes from Kershaw IMO
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Aug 31, 2014 10:23pm
You wouldve thought the same thing with JV and Miggy though...Ironman92;1649538 wrote:I think if Stanton falls off the last month and Kershaw stays as is....Kershaw will take it.
But if Puig or Gonzalez finish big it will take away votes from Kershaw IMO
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Aug 31, 2014 10:31pm
JJ Hoover.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Aug 31, 2014 10:31pm
Yeah...it was a few years back and OPS wasn't quite then what it is now. Cabrera was 5th in voting but was 30 HR 105 RBILaley23;1649552 wrote:You wouldve thought the same thing with JV and Miggy though...
Verlander was 24-5, led league in wins, winning %, ERA, strikeouts, innings, WHIP, OPS+ (last 2 don't mesh with my "few years ago" point)....but nonetheless
Kershaw won't lead in all of those
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Sep 1, 2014 12:03am
Cause he missed a decent chunk of time early.Ironman92;1649560 wrote:Yeah...it was a few years back and OPS wasn't quite then what it is now. Cabrera was 5th in voting but was 30 HR 105 RBI
Verlander was 24-5, led league in wins, winning %, ERA, strikeouts, innings, WHIP, OPS+ (last 2 don't mesh with my "few years ago" point)....but nonetheless
Kershaw won't lead in all of those
He will lead in ERA, Ws, W%, CG, FIP, WHIP and K/9.
Anyway you look at it, and the numbers, Kershaw is simply having a better year than Verlander did. Hell, he may have an argument about it from LAST year.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Sep 1, 2014 10:28am
By missing a chunk of the season it can be looked at both ways in terms of ERA, WHIP and such. Look at what David Price's numbers where up until his last start....even King Felix blew up his last start.Laley23;1649590 wrote:Cause he missed a decent chunk of time early.
He will lead in ERA, Ws, W%, CG, FIP, WHIP and K/9.
Anyway you look at it, and the numbers, Kershaw is simply having a better year than Verlander did. Hell, he may have an argument about it from LAST year.
For Kershaw to win it he has to continue as is and Stanton not go off and have his team push into a WC (quite unlikely there)
And I still say Puig having a hot last month (he's struggling now) will affect Kershaw's votes.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Sep 1, 2014 10:43am
Kershaw also is only going to have 27 starts and might not make 200 innings. It is like Cueto ending his season on August 20th and expecting to win the MVP. ( assuming Cueto being on a playoff team and having Kershaw's stats)
I think he'll win the CY....I think the missing time will curtail his chances for MVP....unless everything else goes right the last month
I think he'll win the CY....I think the missing time will curtail his chances for MVP....unless everything else goes right the last month
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Sep 1, 2014 11:29am
If both keep up current pace, I gotta think Kershaw wins. His WAR is leading the NL by almost a full "run" more than Stanton.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Sep 1, 2014 12:21pm
Many are still skeptical of WAR for pitching and also in general. Still hard to fathom someone who will only play in 16.7% of his team's games could be an MVP of the league.Laley23;1649639 wrote:If both keep up current pace, I gotta think Kershaw wins. His WAR is leading the NL by almost a full "run" more than Stanton.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Sep 1, 2014 12:58pm
Haha, it's funny cause I'm in 100% agreement. Why have he Cy Young if you are eligible for the MVP. However, I'm fully on board with Kershaw winning for the sole purpose that I didn't think Verlander deserved it a few years ago!!!Ironman92;1649640 wrote:Many are still skeptical of WAR for pitching and also in general. Still hard to fathom someone who will only play in 16.7% of his team's games could be an MVP of the league.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Sep 1, 2014 1:17pm
So basically you are saying you hope to see nude pics of Kershaw in 2017.Laley23;1649645 wrote:Haha, it's funny cause I'm in 100% agreement. Why have he Cy Young if you are eligible for the MVP. However, I'm fully on board with Kershaw winning for the sole purpose that I didn't think Verlander deserved it a few years ago!!!
Noted.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Sep 1, 2014 2:43pm
Yeah, like he wants to wait three agonizingly long years for that!Ironman92;1649647 wrote:So basically you are saying you hope to see nude pics of Kershaw in 2017.
Noted.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Sep 1, 2014 3:08pm
Likely already touching himself I'd guessHeretic;1649655 wrote:Yeah, like he wants to wait three agonizingly long years for that!
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Sep 6, 2014 3:11pm
Posey making a significant charge into the top 10 basically out of nowhere....he and the Giants keep hot and he could be top 5
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Sep 6, 2014 4:07pm
Imagine Stanton played in a decent hitting park and was on a team with some protection? Not sure how he can't win it...
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Sep 28, 2014 7:52pm
So hard after the top
1. Kershaw
2. Cutch
3. Stanton
4. Posey
5. Harrison
6. Lucroy
7. Adrian Gonzalez
8. Anthony Rendon
9. Yasiel Puig
10. Jayson Werth
10. Anthony Rizzo
10. Hunter Pence
10. Matt Kemp
10. Denard Span
Stanton beat out Cutch (as he should've, but wasn't sure he would)....haven't heard results after the top 3
1. Kershaw
2. Cutch
3. Stanton
4. Posey
5. Harrison
6. Lucroy
7. Adrian Gonzalez
8. Anthony Rendon
9. Yasiel Puig
10. Jayson Werth
10. Anthony Rizzo
10. Hunter Pence
10. Matt Kemp
10. Denard Span
Stanton beat out Cutch (as he should've, but wasn't sure he would)....haven't heard results after the top 3
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Sep 28, 2014 11:01pm
Thing about JV's MVP season is the context though. Don't forget Detroit that season had been largely disappointing and many believed Leyland and DD should be fired for how bad of a season they had until late July when they picked it up and went from 56-51 to go 39-16 the rest of the way. It was his play keeping the ship afloat until they got healthy that won him MVP, not just the raw numbers
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Sep 28, 2014 11:13pm
McCutchen
Stanton
Kershaw
Stanton
Kershaw
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 13, 2014 8:44pm
Stanton beat out Cutch (as he should've but wasn't sure he would)Ironman92;1658411 wrote:So hard after the top
1. Kershaw
2. Cutch
3. Stanton
4. Posey
5. Harrison
6. Lucroy
7. Adrian Gonzalez
8. Anthony Rendon
9. Yasiel Puig
10. Jayson Werth
10. Anthony Rizzo
10. Hunter Pence
10. Matt Kemp
10. Denard Span
Haven't seen results beyond the top 3
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Nov 14, 2014 3:50pm
Not a big fan of pitchers winning this award.